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Death in Navy SEAL Training Exposes a Culture of Brutality, Cheating and Drugs
New York Times ^ | 8/30/22 | Dave Phillipps

Posted on 08/30/2022 6:16:54 AM PDT by Callahan

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To: Qui is

Instructors have said the graduation rate varies with the number of SEALs and replacements they need, a guy may be failed while passing because they didn’t have the slots for him.


21 posted on 08/30/2022 7:09:20 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Callahan

I really dont care. Im sure the problem is not nearly as drastic as the NYT portrays it. Does the military care? If the answer is yes, its an easy “problem” to stop. Imho the issue is once they are deployed... who will supply them? Ever see a roid guy stop doing roids?


22 posted on 08/30/2022 7:09:54 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: Ezekiel

23 posted on 08/30/2022 7:15:46 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Callahan

“Basically, you are selecting for guys who are willing to cheat,”

What kind of people do you think run the country?


24 posted on 08/30/2022 7:18:05 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Tenacious 1

More military members die in training accidents than combat. The reason is simple. Combat is not all the time. But training for combat is,


25 posted on 08/30/2022 7:32:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: FlingWingFlyer

A wimpy, girlyman journalism school jerk trashing the Navy Seals. That’s not very healthy. The boy needs to do a follow-up bad-mouthing article on the Hell’s Angels. LOL. Idiot.
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I concur.

They already took their 8.6 recoiless, now they want to slander them out of existence.

Our mil has been assaulted from the top.


26 posted on 08/30/2022 7:34:48 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Tenacious 1

I have a friend who is an operator in the Army. This guy is wicked smart with multiple graduate degrees.


27 posted on 08/30/2022 7:36:31 AM PDT by cyclotic (Follow 1776Restorationmovement.com fighting for our Constitution. @1776RM on Truth)
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To: NKP_Vet

During the Reagan years we averaged over 2,000 deaths a year in the military without combat.


28 posted on 08/30/2022 7:44:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: cyclotic

In the early 1970s the GT score for Officer School was 110, and it was 115 for Army Special Forces.

The early Green Berets were full of Eastern professors and such.


29 posted on 08/30/2022 7:47:00 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Eastern European professors, not yankees.


30 posted on 08/30/2022 7:47:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Lockbox

They have no problem with young girls being given testosterone, why not adults?


31 posted on 08/30/2022 7:50:37 AM PDT by NativeSon ( *> <*)
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To: Callahan

In the military, some jobs call for a man so hard he won’t break when bashed against the rocks. For better or worse, the only way to discover which men these are is to bash a few against some rocks.


32 posted on 08/30/2022 7:51:05 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: NKP_Vet; GMThrust

Several years ago, in casual “after work” conversation with colleagues over drinks, one of our French co-workers commented about “America’s love of war.” When asked for clarification, he explained he served with American troops in the ME. He thought US soldiers and special forces were excited to go into battle to kill people and break things. That puzzled him and his fellow French soldiers. John, also a combat vet in our conversation (Army Ranger I think), explained,

“It’s not excitement to kill people and break things as much as it is getting to implement the rigorous training that we constantly do. It’s like training and practicing for a sport everyday of your life for years but never getting to play a game against another team. We finally get to put our toys and training to the test.”

I got a kick out of that but was sure it only further confounded the Frenchman. These guys are true warriors.


33 posted on 08/30/2022 7:54:01 AM PDT by Tenacious 1
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To: Tenacious 1

In Desert Shield/Storm we teamed up with a French unit. We traded MRE’s. The particular one I traded came in a small wooden box with some type of meat, cheese and a small bottle of wine (go figure). It told me all I needed to know about how they go about War.


34 posted on 08/30/2022 8:05:23 AM PDT by GMThrust
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To: cuz1961

This clown Phillipps isn’t worthy enough to scrap the mud off the boots of the latest graduating SEAL class. He’s a wimp. He’ll never know what it’s like to live life to the max.


35 posted on 08/30/2022 8:17:17 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I always thought a Merry Garland was a Christmas tree decoration.)
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To: Callahan

Slimes hating on the SEALs.


36 posted on 08/30/2022 8:41:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Ezekiel
Truth be told.....I'm a *Bo Scout* myself.


37 posted on 08/30/2022 9:49:36 AM PDT by Daffynition (*This admin tells us *A* story; but they don't tell us *THE* story* & :) ~ D Bongino)
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To: Bratch; Daffynition; Phinneous; SJackson; BTerclinger; rktman; ckilmer
"I don't like to lose, so I change the rules."

Thanks!

That graphic is a most excellent reply because on another track, I was working on something from the book of Genesis at the time you posted it.

I'm always up for a little diversion because I just never know. And this is great!

With that kind of cross link, I needed to refresh my memory about the explanation:

Kirk avoids Carol and David's questions about Khan by asking for food. Carol and David show Kirk, McCoy and Saavik the Genesis cave, which was created by a smaller Genesis Device: deep within Regula a stable ecosystem now exists, having been created in one day. Before Kirk and Carol join them, they both speak briefly about their past relationship and reach a moment of reconciliation.

In the cave, Saavik asks Kirk, who is casually eating an apple, about his performance on the Kobayashi Maru scenario. McCoy informs her that Kirk is the only Starfleet cadet to beat the no-win scenario. However, Kirk admits he reprogrammed the simulation, making it possible to save the ship and her crew. David chuckles and says he cheated, and Kirk qualifies that he changed the conditions of the test also citing that he had received praise for original thinking and that he does not believe in the no-win scenario. Kirk then promptly contacts the Enterprise and Spock says they should prepare for transport. Kirk smiles at a dumbfounded Saavik and asserts that he doesn't like to lose. Saavik questions what happened throughout the transport and Kirk reminds her of Starfleet Regulation 46A: Spock had modified his report (hours instead of days) to deceive Khan because their adversary may have been monitoring the Enterprise's transmissions. When Saavik suggests that Spock lied, Spock merely replies he "exaggerated."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084726/plotsummary#synopsis

DO stay with me, sway with me. Don't give up the small wooden boat because over at Wikipedia,

The phrase "Kobayashi Maru" has entered the popular lexicon as a reference to a no-win scenario. The term is also sometimes used to invoke Kirk's decision to "change the conditions of the test."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

Turns out that "Kobayashi Maru" has a Hebrew page. It informs that the no-win situation is a "תרחיש ללא מוצא", which translates to a "scenario without an exit".

I know how to add up the letters, but it's quicker to go here to paste in such queries. I provided the link so that anyone present can replicate the results, if desired. That search page finds matching values in the Torah, and all the Tanakh.

With that said, a dead-end scenario --

"תרחיש ללא מוצא"

= 1116, and is the sum of the first two words of the Bible, of Genesis: "Bereshith bara". The Hebrew word order reads as in the beginning created.

It goes on, really multiplies, but first you've got to hand it to the God of Abraham to get there first, like He's living in a movie. There's no competition!

OH, wait, no because actually that's

Bereshith bara Elohim...

Up high.
Down low.
[Victim misses.]
Too slow! (with finger guns)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five

(He reprogrammed the simulation, making it possible to save the ship and her crew.)

There's a verse for that:

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Israel gets the last word, the last word of the Torah:

Deuteronomy 34:12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

Can DO!

Kol Israel, bereshit bara...

Okay, the words rerun in English:

All Israel in the beginning God created...

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven SEALs thereof.

Bottom line:

There's simply no excuse for a Culture of Brutality, Cheating and Drugs.

38 posted on 08/30/2022 10:47:39 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️𓊹 𓌃 "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️)
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To: Callahan
11 dead in 70 years doesn’t seem like a very high death rate considering the training involved.

Although the instructors here clearly seem to shirking responsibility. If one of your best and brightest American men is coughing up blood for weeks at a time, your number 1 goal should be his safety and health.

As an aside, I thought I read that the divorce rate for Seals was somewhere above 70%. Couple the drug use in BUDs with what’s been going on at Fort Bragg with Green Berets (drugs, crime, murder), it’s clear these men aren’t being taken care of as they should by our military.

A more cynical theory would be that the crushing overuse of SpecOps troops since the GWOT and the Deep State’s need for constant war is a great way to take the best, brightest, and fittest men out of your country and have them go kill people on other continents for years at a time instead of having them stateside protecting the homeland and building lives during their peak years.

39 posted on 08/30/2022 2:45:39 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Callahan

Sports started this. I know of younger kids being taught how to fake a drug test by their coach to “get that edge.”

“If you want to win, you cheat!”

So the selection process is geared to groom the worst, and give them tools to MAKE them worse.


40 posted on 08/30/2022 4:25:39 PM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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