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Which Founding Father is the most popular who isn't George Washington, isn't Benamin Franklin, isn't Thomas Jefferson, and isn't George Washington?
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Posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

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To: ProgressingAmerica

Sam Adams of course.


101 posted on 08/22/2022 7:53:45 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

PING )))))


102 posted on 08/22/2022 8:00:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Spot on MHG!
đź‘Ť
And thanks for the ping.

Not many people know how dangerously close we are to the Harpazo. It’s game over for most when it happens too, in other words - there won’t be another “chance” at Salvation for most because of the cataclysmic chaos that will occur will destroy many.

I’m sure I’ll get trolled by some dude who calls themselves a “Christian” for stating it - but it must be stated.


103 posted on 08/23/2022 4:15:17 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: mware
Sit down, John!
104 posted on 08/23/2022 4:29:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: mewzilla

For God’s sake, John, sit down!


105 posted on 08/23/2022 4:30:40 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: Political Junkie Too
I must abstain... courteously...

Are you from New York...?

106 posted on 08/23/2022 4:30:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: combat_boots

Our Founding Fathers are spinning.


107 posted on 08/23/2022 4:31:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Al Yankovich


108 posted on 08/23/2022 4:35:12 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy ( )
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To: mewzilla
Actually, yes!

-PJ

109 posted on 08/23/2022 4:41:32 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

So am I. :-(


110 posted on 08/23/2022 4:44:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: HippyLoggerBiker
PG Books by Thomas Paine

The above link has links to the following books:

The Writings of Thomas Paine — Volume 1 (1774-1779): The American Crisis by Paine
The Writings of Thomas Paine — Volume 2 (1779-1792): The Rights of Man by Paine
The Writings Of Thomas Paine, Volume III. by Thomas Paine
The Writings of Thomas Paine — Volume 4 (1794-1796): The Age of Reason by Paine
Common Sense
A Letter Addressed to the Abbe Raynal, on the Affairs of North America, in Which the Mistakes in the Abbe's Account of the Revolution of America Are Corrected and Cleared Up

111 posted on 08/23/2022 8:05:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma

You wrote: “...links to the following books...”
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Thank you,
HLB


112 posted on 08/23/2022 8:36:04 AM PDT by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake. )
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To: ProgressingAmerica
ProgressingAmerica, this is a grand subject!

Over the course of my life, I knew as much about the Colonial era as just about any school kid. What I learned in school, and that was about it. I read a lot as a kid, but the founding of our country was reserved for schoolwork.

When my father retired from a career as a Navy officer, our family returned to its New England roots, and after I got out of the Navy myself and got married, my wife introduced me to a whole unplumbed range of history in museums and historic sites.

My wife grew up in a family where they probably went to every single museum and site of every kind, and she knew them all in Massachusetts from growing up here. There were very few museums she had never been to in this state, and I had been to nearly none of them. And as we have spent our life together, we have made it a practice to visit as many places as we can.

The reason I mention this is, one can get an impression from reading a book, and one can get a quite rounded impression from reading many books on the same subject. But even with that, you are still looking at the historic figure from the perspective of another person's eyes, even if many sets of those eyes give you a fuller perspective.

But it is still someone else's eyes.

And sadly, over the years, those eyes are more critical and judgmental, and it seems to be some kind of perverse Leftist blood sport to tear people down to make a name for themselves.

Of all the things I might dislike with respect to the telling of history, the one that I have come to despise the most is this concept of judging people who lived centuries ago by the standards of today. I think it is asinine and narrow sighted. I cannot tell you the number of books I have read that I never made it through, simply because as I read, I got a whiff, then a dose, and then finally, a literary tsunami of this idiotic practice.

I like to tell this story about the reading of history, because I do find it humorous, but it displays the pitfalls.

My deceased mother-in-law was, in life, a major-league liberal. She was a community organizer type of liberal. Now, I didn't know this about her before I married my wife, but it wouldn't have made a difference to me.

As the years went on, both my viewpoints and her viewpoints became known to each of us… and we entered a phase where she would say things deliberately to get a response out of me (or to see if I would just sit and say nothing)

Needless to say, I wasn't about to sit and get baited by my mother-in-law, so I gave back in like kind when she initiated something. This went on for a relatively short period of time, then we kind of came to a mutual understanding. Neither one of us said a thing, but the understanding was there nonetheless that we would keep the peace by keeping our tongue. Not to say she wouldn't occasionally poke at me (or me at her) but after that, that was pretty much all it was. I was kind of got the impression she was doing it just to see if I would stand up for myself. (My wife says she read her headstrong mother the riot act on this...:)

In any case, I received a Christmas present from her one particular year. She knew that I was a history buff, and I read history prodigiously, so it was no surprise to me when I opened one of her Christmas presents and saw a history book. It was a fairly good-sized glossy volume, and I figured I'd put my feet up when I got home from the Christmas celebration and begin reading.

When I got home, I did just that. At first, I was puzzled. “What the heck is this?” I read little bit further, and got even more perplexed. “What the hell kind of book is this?” I thought to myself.

I immediately begin skipping through the book, preferentially stopping in key areas in American history. As I reached each section, I would read sometimes only a sentence, or occasionally a paragraph. After I had been through multiple sections in this manner, I stood up angrily and exclaimed “screw this piece of crap!”

I walked out in the garage and through the book in the trash.

The name of the book was “The People's History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.

I was appalled. I had never seen a history book quite like that one. I was even more disturbed to find out later that this was an actual textbook used in public school classrooms all over the country. I'm still appalled at that thought.

In retrospect, it popped into my mind almost immediately as I was throwing the book in the trash, that this was perhaps my mother-in-law poking her finger in my eye. After a few more seconds of contemplation, I guessed that was not the case.

Knowing how my mother-in-law used to gift shop, particularly for Christmas presents, this book was almost undoubtedly on the bargain bookshelf at the front of the bookstore when she walked in. I'd be willing to bet that she didn't pay more than a few dollars for, because I doubt you could find it inside the store at regular price.

So, every time I hear the name Howard Zinn, I think of the anti-American far left political screed that was his book, that I had the pleasure to throw into a garbage can.

So, those are the pitfalls of history. And I will be the first to admit-I love a flawed historical figure. Patton was amazing, but very flawed. Churchill as well. Washington had his flaws, too.

But in all those examples, I felt that it was the inclusion of their flaws that made them truly great, with Churchill being one of the prime examples of that, in my opinion. If I could spend a day with one man in history, beginning to end, I might well chose Churchill.

We are the sum of our good and bad. Good without Bad is pretty boring, and Bad without Good is Evil.

Anyway, getting back to history in my life-it has been my impression that visiting the places that people lived, looking at the chairs they sat in, the landscapes they saw, the books they read, seeing the brick-a-brack around their dwellings and seeing their real handwriting on letters they wrote informs me about those long gone people in ways a history book written by someone else never could.

As a result, I have visited every possible significant site and been to nearly every museum possible in this area. Just a few miles from my house, is this famous bridge which I pass near every day. I was going to be living at work for the next several days due to a major systems upgrade, so I was heading in around 9:00 AM on a bitter Tuesday morning in February, not a time I usually commute at. I decided to take a more relaxing ride through rural Concord and at least enjoy my ride in. The road was blocked due to a bridge issue, so in turning around, I realized I was at The Old North Bridge. I decided to get out and look since there was nobody around, and the bitter sub-zero wind was blowing snow granules across the ground as my eyes watered:

It was starkly beautiful. And as I looked on the bridge, I felt the history in it. Didn't just see it. I felt it.

Another great example of this is the Adams Estate in Quincy, MA. There are two parts to it-the house they lived in leading up to and during the war, and the house they lived in after they left Washington. When you visit the house they lived in during the war, you get an idea that a book cannot convey.

You know the distance between Braintree and Boston where he practiced law (about ten miles) and he rode that many times on horseback, through nasty weather, snow, and rain.

When you walked out his front door, you could see the view his family saw on that fateful day when the Battle of Bunker Hill took place, the dull boom of the cannon, the smoke...it isn't the same, of course, with trees, cars, buildings and such, but...you can get an idea of the distance.

And then, when you visit their home that the lived to the end of their lives in...you see the red chair he sat in for his famous portrait. You see his library, and the books he read. You see the china they ate off, including one crystal piece that had been broken and put back together will metal wire, which tells you something. You look out the windows and you see the fruit trees similar to the ones they likely had.

For me, the sense of history is palpable when I see it. I FEEL it deep in my heart. It isn't just words on paper.

Last year, I visited the museum in downtown Concord, MA. In it, they have one of the two lanterns that were placed in the window of the Old North Church.

I cannot express what I felt as I gazed on that historic artifact. It was deeply emotional for me. Hands had once held that lantern, and placed it in the high steeple of the Old North Church, and set in motion events that changed the world.

As for my favorite Founders? I thought this was a great thread to start, because it occurred to me...I didn't know what the definition of a "Founding Father" was. Someone who signed the Declaration of Independence? That would leave out a lot of people such as Paul Revere. So the more I thought about it, I was impressed with what a wonderful topic it was.

In any case, here are my favorites:

  1. George Washington. Hands down. I even have a copy of his little book sitting on my office desk that he cobbled together as a young man Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior". In my opinion, George Washington is one of the greatest men to have ever lived.

  2. John Adams. He was "unloved" but a great man. Under-appreciated in his time, and in history.

  3. Joseph Warren. What would things have been like if he had lived? A real man.

  4. Ethan Allen. That man was a dynamo. A real stud with a working brain and a leader of men.

  5. Patrick Henry. To be so outspoken, when the noose could go around the neck at any time...

  6. Alexander Hamilton. I know...a Federalist right behind Patrick Henry in this list doesn't seem to fit, but even though he was in favor of a strong federal government, he would be appalled at what we see today, never mind the debt)

  7. Benjamin Franklin. If I could choose one man who could be transported from the 18th Century into the 21st Century and expect him to be fully functional and engaged, it would be Franklin. I often thought he was America's first hippy, but that is an insult to a hard-working man...:)

Note that I didn't include Jefferson and Madison. Both were talented men with much to admire, but...George Washington saw Jefferson as somewhat of a snake, and for good reason considering the way Jefferson undercut him, painting him anonymously as a doddering, out of touch man during the course of Washington's Presidency. Washington found out Jefferson was the source, let Jefferson know that he knew, and their interactions thereafter and for the rest of their lives were perfunctory and completely cold and professional, by all accounts. I can overlook a lot of things, but one thing I have difficulty countenancing is a lack of loyalty when loyalty is entirely deserved. I admire Jefferson's peerless status as an autodidact, his intellect, and his authorship (with some assistance) of The Declaration of Independence. And I love his foresight in commissioning the Lewis and Clark Expedition. But as a person and a leader, he leaves me cold.

I feel somewhat ambivalent about Madison. The man was exceedingly brilliant, no doubt, as the Federalist Papers clearly convey, but he simply doesn't resonate with me as a leader, he comes across as more of a brainiac of the day.

113 posted on 08/23/2022 7:29:42 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: AppyPappy; stevio; revetment; MayflowerMadam; FLT-bird

For those who said Washington, there already exist two.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3936925/posts

By Schmidt and the other by Courtenay.


114 posted on 08/24/2022 8:22:17 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: pepsi_junkie; FLT-bird

For those who mentioned Franklin, his autobiography is out there as audio.

https://librivox.org/the-autobigraphy-of-benjamin-franklin-ed-by-frank-woodworth-pine/

It’s a really good recording too. I think Franklin deserves another as there are plenty of pre-1923 biogs of Franklin, but I will be going another direction.


115 posted on 08/24/2022 8:26:35 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Thommas; x; wardaddy

That’s actually in part why I’m motivated for Henry, outside of his apparent popularity.

Patrick Henry had abolitionist leanings. He was a fan of Anthony Benezet, the first prominent abolitionist on either side of the Atlantic. Benezet was known to many of the Founders. Henry received a copy of Benezet’s work from a friend, Robert Pleasants.

The founders don’t deserve to be smeared with this junk, but the only reason progressives can get away with it is because they’ve controlled history for so long and the schools have been surrendered.

The way to solve this problem is to put it on YouTube. I hear that’s a high profile website.

Unsurprisingly, Henry had the most replies here. I highly doubt that’s because I made the mention. I do my fair share of lurking. I see who gets mentioned.


116 posted on 08/24/2022 8:39:51 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: cotton1706

I will say, I was rather surprised at how many also said Adams in addition to you.


117 posted on 08/24/2022 9:00:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

“I will say, I was rather surprised at how many also said Adams in addition to you.”

John Adams is top-tier. He really was the Atlas of Independence. He knew more about government than ANY of the of the other founders, and that’s saying something about a group of VERY knowledgeable men.


118 posted on 08/24/2022 9:11:38 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: zeugma

Thank you, yes. This book looks amazing. I will look through it later.

As for the Federalist, Farmer Letters, and Locke,

https://librivox.org/author/4362
https://librivox.org/the-federalist-papers-by-alexander-hamilton-john-jay-and-james-madison-2
https://librivox.org/the-anti-federalist-papers-by-patrick-henry/
https://librivox.org/letters-from-a-farmer-in-pennsylvania-by-john-dickinson/

All of it free in the public domain.


119 posted on 08/24/2022 10:32:33 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: rlmorel

Thank you for sharing your story. I have been to some of the homes of the Founders and had the same experience.

While I do focus on the progressives primarily, because we need to know the enemy and they’ve made themselves unknown, I have found that once I discovered the full field of American history away from the boring drivel that’s found in most modern historical works, it’s better than anything I used to find myself concerned with. The Founding generation is the most inspiring and the more details the better.

TV shows, comics and heroes, sports, nothing else on earth compares. It’s all second-rate.

The old historians from over a century ago told the stories so much better. Since its all public domain at this point, we have no limits.


120 posted on 08/24/2022 10:38:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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