Q ~ Trust Trump's Plan ~ 08/18/22 Vol.419, Q Day 1853

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Zelensky's victory speech to Congress w/Garland Nixon (Live)
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his victory speech in Congress history actually a big day in general a lot of stuff going on over the past couple of
days so uh so let's uh break it all down uh Garland I'm going to steal one of your phrases
let's talk Alexander Garland the floor is yours well I'm going to just stop by saying
that there was a very big day yesterday and the least important part of it was ellenskies belenskies zelenski's Speech
to Congress which um I thought was you know somebody once said a Phalanx of cliches crawling
across a page I mean it was absolute empty air as far as I could see he said nothing that was interesting nothing
that was new he talked a lot about Bachmann and um you know we talked about backward and of course he went to
backward or so it said we didn't quite know where he was but anyway the assumption is he went backward and he
came back to Washington it's now absolutely clear that his entire visit to brachmel was basically a prop for
this speech that he did but he didn't say anything and I'm going to say something else I think he probably came
away from that visit personally disappointed because what he got was a
patriot missile system which um Garland and Scott Ritter have already
talked about in a great program but you know it's not going to deliver the goods as far as solenski is concerned he
didn't get very much more actually I mean he got 44 billion dollars but you know given the amount that Ukraine is
spending and the weapon systems that he's using I know he came out with very much so I thought it was the least
important event of yesterday the whole zelenski visit was the least important event big events going on in Moscow
where Putin assure you were addressing the entire military fifteen thousand
military leaders and a massive Russian build up industrial economic uh
expansion of the army conduct of the war in Ukraine all that going on and of
course the other big event which I know Garland is particularly uh you know tuned to Follows
medvedev's trip to Beijing which um I we're not being told very much
about it well I think it's the most consequential of all because straight away put a position being does not meet
one-to-one people who are not heads of state and those who say that he met
medveda because he he was the head of the United Russia party and see shumping as the head of the Chinese Communist
party and therefore that explains why the two men met and it's absolutely not the case and
making it completely clear this is a policy discussion is the fact of who
else was in that meeting and we know that Wang Yi who was the foreign minister of China
the man in charge of relations overall relations with Russia he was certainly
present and probably all sorts of other people were so it was the probably in the end the most important event of
yesterday but the one we know least about yes and I'll add um the
um the Russians in made sure to uh make it clear to the world that they were
maintaining protocol because one of the messages that came out was he was bearing a message from President
Putin and he took a message from president Jinping to President Putin so
they maintained the respect and protocol for China by stating he was a messenger for the head of state and I think that
maintained the due respect for the Chinese leader I think a couple of things important that I took from
yesterday number one I thought about uh about a year or so ago or not quite a
year ago where the Germans announced this gigantic military buildup that they were going to do they were going to become a world power Etc and a few
months ago they quietly announced we can't afford it anymore so we're not going to do it at the same time the
Russians who are I mean literally making a fortune due to U.S sanctions due to
the actions taken the economic actions that are driving up the very Commodities that they make a living off of are
announcing we're going to dramatically build up our um defensive capabilities I think this
also said something else to me one of the things that this is what I take from and I don't know about Alexander one of
the things that the Russians let's put two things together last December the Russians sent a formal written request
for um Security on their border and and for the Diplomatic discussion about Security
on their border since then the Russians have made it very clear we don't trust the West for
you know we could talk about petroportion goes I mean Angela merkel's comment but it's made it's been made
clear to the Russians that they can't trust trust the Western leaders for any diplomatic
um solution to those same security issues on their border I think what we're seeing the Russians do now and say
now is two things they're making a fortune and that's not going to change and if anything the continued actions
from the West are going to drive up the um the amount of money that they bring in so I think what the Russians are
really saying now is we cannot trust a deal with you for security on our border
we can't afford it and we're going to do it we're going to
um utilizing our military uh abilities we're going to guarantee the security on
our border defensively because we can't trust you for a deal and even if we get a deal with you we don't trust it so
we're going to do it ourselves so I think the meeting in DC's and the
meeting the things that was me that were being done by the Russians are inextricably linked in that the
um the the the puppet the proxy Army for the West was
saying we want more money because the West's war is with money it's that
Capital we believe that we can use money and we can defeat Russia the Russian war is with artillery the Russian war is
with and again it's that financialized magical uh uh of thinking where you know
you could just say what women or men are you just say what money is or what anything is and it magically it's that
it's that kind of thinking versus Commodities and Industry and artillery and I think we saw those two things
um contradictions come together yesterday absolutely and can I just amplify all
the things I don't know whether you've read the transcripts that the Russians are providing a Putin speech but he made
all exactly the same points that you've just made he spoke at enormous length about
um the fact that the West simply cannot be trusted so did shoigu the defense minister sure you actually brought up
Angela Merkel he said you know we now know because of what Angela Merkel said that the the West was never serious
about the Minsk agreement and Putin went through all of the various agreements all the various attempts he and other
Russian leaders have made to get on with the West he said we made a tent after attempt he was almost
apologizing to the Russian people and of the Russian military for the fact that
he persisted in these attempts for so long and he said exactly what you said
and the whole tone of that meeting yesterday was we can't trust them their agreement incapable if we enter into an
agreement with them they will simply break it and Putin actually gave an example he gave the example of this
agreement that was made on the 21st of February 2014 between Yanukovych and the
maidan movement which is brokered by Poland France and Germany which was
supposed to lead to elections by the end of 2014 and what happened the polls the
Germans and the French guarantee that agreement within hours it
was broken and Yanukovych was overthrown and what did the French the Germans and
the polls do they just said well you know that's it you know agreement doesn't matter anymore we can forget
about it and Putin is obviously Furious about this he's seething about this but he's not the
only Russian who is and the scale of what the Russians are going to do is
really I mean you have to read through what Putin was saying and he was very
careful to make exactly the point that you were making Garland Russia can't afford it it's not going to go down the
Soviet route it's not good militarizes this economy or Society it knows the
resources its economy is far better organized it's got the means to do it's got the resources to do it's got the
technology to do it he said very few other countries are in our position where we can do these things we can do
them and we are going to do something and they're going to increase the size of their army they're going to
build up their military Industries there's going to be a massive increase in arms production next year
and remember we're talking about next year there's already a big increase in arms
production this year but what's coming next year is going to dwarf it and you
know to be frank one Patriot missile system more or less looks pretty
insignificant compared to all of that and that's not even
adding on whatever China might do and Garland you may not know this but
there's been a very interesting article in the guardian the British newspaper the guardian which was
um uh from somebody who works for the Royal United Services industry Institute which is the British armies the British
militaries Think Tank and he said there's a real risk in sending even one Patriot missile system the Ukraine
because we are desperately so short of Patriot missiles something that Brian
balletic has been already saying we are very short of Patriot missiles there aren't enough of these things to go
around because our production systems are so bad we can't keep the Saudis
supplied and we don't already have enough in the Far East to keep to
counter the Chinese so quite apart from the problems of the Patriot missile system which you and Scott discussed
that just aren't enough of them already and the problem is when we get weapons
to Ukraine Ukraine just uses them in a totally profligate way and again this
person of the Guardian this person from the United Services Institute he's specifically referred to the high
Mars that the ukrainians launch far more of these than they were than they ever
said that they would they do it in a very prodigal indiscriminate way and then they always come back for more and
the result is that and ammunition weapon systems stocks in
the west become depleted and the theories that with the Patriot they will do the same they will shoot their
Patriot missiles and everything every Target they won't be discriminating of
course that isn't even consider the problem that you were identifying on
that program that the Russians only need to lob one single Hypersonic missile I'm hoping goes but in some ways from a
western point of view it will be even more dangerous if you know it was just left there yeah all these cruise
missiles all these drones coming and the ukrainians were firing missiles at it at
these and just depleted their stocks and then came back and asked for more and the US would then find itself faced with
a dilemma do we go on supplying more deplete our resources even further in
the Far East against the Chinese um let our Saudi Protege they still are
that down by not supplying them with the missiles they need or do we finally say
enough so it uation that the first time in history
the West is outgunned it's industrial resources are not up to the challenge
and that article in the Royal art United Services Institute man in the guardian
essentially said that made precisely that point yeah and a couple of things
and that is the result of that is the Ultimate Reality of the of neoliberalism
when you de-industrialize yourself and your industry becomes a hollow shell then it's not again it's like not not
anything there it's not real there's the appearance that you have an a great industrial capacity for military but in
reality they're just trying to make as much money as they can as quick as they can they don't care if the equipment
works and they don't care how much they can make as long as they can create enough of it to make money and now that
there is a reality there they're unable to keep up with it a couple of things I think in a way uh Angela merkel's
statement was one of the greatest gifts that could be given to the Russians because keep in mind
before this war started Sergey lavrov said that the U.S when they'd say the west or whatever they mean the U.S
Empire that the U.S was um agreement incapable I'm probably using the wrong word but that's specifically what he
what he meant and so the Russians before this started and in fact they made
statements last December when they released the the uh list of written
demands for just a discussion they made statements then that said well we know they're not going to pay any attention to them but we're going to release them
and give them to them and give them an opportunity so they always already knew this what this allows them to do what
Angela merkel's statement allows the Russians to do is because one of the very important things is their allies
their allies in the global South their allies with in Asia Etc they have to continue to maintain a strong moral High
Ground a moral argument for what they're doing in light of a number of things that would go on forever but they've got
to maintain that this allows them to maintain that
argument to put an exclamation on the argument and say you see we told you
that we couldn't trust these people and that a number of the the decisions that we were made is because we know we can't
trust them here's the evidence exhibit a everybody read it everybody look at it
what do we have to say anymore so Angela Merkel just handed the the Russians the gift that keeps on giving Petro
poroshinko had made the statement but he's not true a really a credible actor he's just seen as you know a U.S puppet
God knows he'll say anything he won't anything on any given day Angela Merkel was a person you may disagree with her
politics but she was a highly respected political figure worldwide when she says
it it's game set and match the Russians can play that card for as long as they and it's not really playing a card
because now she has given them a reality that they've already uh that they they've said I do think it is important
in to to to to connect the dots between
Medvedev going to China and coming back and Putin announcing
this gigantic military buildup I don't think those things are inconsequential
the timing of it I do think that it signals a discussion between Russia and
China and there's also talk floating around of a more
formal military alliance between the two of them not I don't know if it's going to happen I do know they are reticent to
create a world of two blocks I know they know the neocons would love to have okay there's the Warsaw Pact in us again
hooray we've got the band back together and they they want to avoid that but I do think I don't know what you think
about it I do think that these discussions are very very linked and that to me the biggest event of the day
was Medvedev going to China and back also in light of the last time the
Chinese and Russian leaders had a big discussion was just before the special military operation I think
there's something afoot I don't know what and there may not be it may have simply been okay we're going to make our
big military build up I'm going to make that announcement I want to let you know to give you the respect as my better
than Ally better than friend this is what I'm going to do dear friend and
then do it and it could have been as simple as that yeah right a lot of things that you've
just been saying Garland and I'm going to ask you a few other things actually but because I'd like you to discuss about the internal politics of the US in
a moment but firstly you use the word Hollow to describe our industrial
military-industrial base in the west the person who wrote that article in the
guardian he used exactly that same word Hollow that has become Hollow he was saying
it's very urgent to try to repair this because it won't happen quickly enough for Ukraine and of course to do that
would mean a complete change and the whole economic civilization we now have in the west
it's not going to happen I mean that's the reality of it so that that was what he said and the second about Merkel and
you know that this is the gift that gives on giving because it's come from the German Chancellor again about a week
ago Putin said exactly that he said you know boroshenko had already admitted it but nobody took that seriously I was
horrified horrified shocked when I saw that it was the Federal chancellor of
Germany had uh oh you know was party to this kind of thing now of course he
wasn't I mean he must have worked uh pretty early on that Merkel wasn't being serious about it but you're absolutely
right they can now bring that up at every opportunity now let's talk about the
Medved of seashun ping meeting there was an exchange of letters we're never going
to see these letters but we do know that they are letters they're letters from the president of China the president of
Russia and from the president of Russia to the president of China now they don't need to send letters to each other they
can speak on the phone or there must be all kinds of secure links so they've put something in writing to each other
now what is that which they have put in
writing to each other an agreement of some kind who knows but bear in mind
that Medvedev is the Deputy chair of Russia's Security Council as well as
being the head of the United Russia party and he appears to have some kind
of supervisory role over Russia's military Industries I mean one of the
things he you see him most often do is he tours the various factories he meets the managers he's the person who seems
to be the person they report to about how you know the Munitions production is
going and he seems to have some kind of a role in that and of course
we have XI jinping's comments to Medvedev very Bland
uninformative Chinese readouts which is in interesting in itself
because they can't possibly tell us exactly what the two men were
saying when they're so Bland doesn't seem to mean very much but we do see session being saying that this
partnership between China and Russia partnership for the new era we're going
to consolidate it we're going to build on it and we're going to take it further still further still towards what is
there some kind of an alliance of course there was a big article in the British magazine The Spectator which claimed
that there's already a military component of this that they've each committed each other it committed
themselves to coming to the defense of the other in the event that there is
some kind of an attack on either one of these countries but we don't know and
the the only thing that's interesting the thing that is really interesting is that you know there was this exchange of
letters and those letters the text of them almost certainly agreed in advance
a commitment of some kind but from one to the other in those letters are
written commitment who knows but not impossible at all I would say now
Garland there was something that you said again in that program which I'd like to explore with you you talked
about the fact that there are many different factions in Washington including many different neocon factions
and we do have it seems to me discordant voices we now have an article for
example in the Washington Post of all places saying Russia is not responsible
for the nordstream to sabotage Nordstrom sabotage so it looks which of course
leaves over the question of who in that case was we have this article in the
guardian from Mr Jack Watling of the royal United Services Institute we have different kinds of Articles appearing in
the U.S media some saying the situation the military situation is very bad for
Ukraine others you know that they're marching towards Victory what do you think is going on in Washington and
where does the president if he actually exists uh where does he stand I think
number one you know I think there are for all of their the bravado that they speak at that they they talk in public I
think they understand the real a lot of them understand the realities at least there are elements that understand the realities I would say this The
Washington Post is known to be a kind of a CA CIA based
um group I would argue that what we're hearing is a CIA because let's face it
um while we don't know who um blew up the nordstring pipeline
um Tony blinken has made some statements that would imply his fingerprints may be found around there
um and he wrote a book The Ally versus Ally in which he argued against the um the Russian the Siberian Pipelines back
in the 1990s we know the CIA literally blew those up back then so certainly one could think State Department so what it
sounds like to me is the CIA throwing an elbow at the state department saying you know look that probably wasn't a good
idea we don't approve of it we didn't like it when it happened the intelligence agency is pushing back against the state Department that those
are those two factions that want to go in different directions you know the CIA always lost likes the soft power things
they always like to you know information Wars and things of that nature where Tony the Tony blinken type they're the
the knuckle draggers they want to just take a club and hit you over the head therefore blowing up the uh the pipeline
so I think those were the faction the arguments that we were seeing Joe Biden is an old school neocon I think when you
look at Joe Biden you're looking at the old school neocons the old uh scoop
Jackson wing of the democratic party the Cold War
um Democrats who back then argued that their problem with Russia was ideal was
ideological because it was Communist but then Russia's no longer communist and
they still hate Russia so it's been outed the reality is they had the same problem with Russia then that they do now and that is they want to control the
world and Russia is powerful enough to stop them from controlling everything that Russia is an alternative power
historically they hated Russia because Russia was in Africa and the Soviet
Union Africa you know arming uh the country the uh standing nieces they were
doing things to push back against the empire so that's Joe Biden he's just a guy from the 1950s or 60s who um has
found his way to power now and he doesn't understand I believe the current
dynamics that are extremely complicated I think he doesn't engage in any kind of
diplomacy but he's still nonetheless telling zelenski well you're not going to get everything you want you're not
going to get your long-range missiles for example he seems to be ruling all that out so is there a push pull I mean
I get the sense of the Pentagon will be some people in the Pentagon are getting worried they must be getting worried
that their ammunition stocks are getting depleted they must be worried that they're facing threats in the east in
you know the in Asia from China potentially which you know they might not be able to respond to because
everything's been shipped over to Ukraine and um you know is is there some kind of
push-pull are there some people in Washington who are saying
really we feel that this is going too far we want to bring it under some kind
of control with others saying no we must go all the way and are there arguments about the role of solution and zelenski
and is there some people who say well zelusny is the person to count on and so
the other side brings zielinski to Washington because they want to make it sure that it's you know zelenski who's
going to be the continued leader of Ukraine because well he's the person that we trust I mean did you get the
sense that there's a lot of this going on because I do to be honest it looks to me like the Savannah facade behind the
curtain everybody is fighting everybody in Washington at least that's my sense
you're absolutely right you know as you have said many times the the US is able to maintain a level of discipline
amongst its puppet leaders throughout the what I would call the colonies of Europe however in the belly of the Beast
there is there as you have discussed you are correct there's a much more robust
discussion in the United States about uh the the the uh wisdom of the of
continuing with the Ukraine project than there are then there is and you know in in the
um in Europe so therefore you've got a number of things you've got Tucker Carlson going on Fox calling yesterday
literally calling uh zielinski a uh a strip club manager I mean the guy came
comes to congress with a wrinkly sweatsuit shirt on you know that that's
you know the the people trust me I've done work on Capitol Hill the people in
Congress on Capitol Hill are very very concerned about those they may not say
it but when they look at that that doesn't go over big they're looking at this guy they bring him in and
um he comes in and there are you have uh the Republicans with a struggle McCarthy
is trying to become the this is big because McCarthy is trying to become the Speaker of the House
but he doesn't have enough votes there they only need a few to to put him down I think that's one of the big issues
you're looking at right now the Republican party has a huge problem Mitch McConnell comes out and says the
goal of the Republicans is Ukraine first Ukraine second Ukraine third well that's
a hint that no that isn't that he's got big problems and that's why he has to say that so now they're trying to figure
out how they're going to get anyone in as a speaker of the house knowing that
there is an element in the Republican Party large enough to thwart their ability to govern that does not want to
move forward with this Ukraine thing so the Republican party and and of course the mainstream Democrats and Republicans
who want to keep forward with this project know this is a dynamic that they're going to
have to deal with and I don't think they have any idea how to deal with that and so they're wrestling right now with how
do we get a republican speaker in the house in power that's on board with the
neocon project in Ukraine and that's a very very going to be a very difficult
road with a with a handful of people saying no and if someone if they can't
just say well we'll get just get enough Democrats to jump over with the rep that's suicide for whoever comes to
power they can't come to power based on on votes of the Democrats so I think
that's a big part of what we're looking at trying to figure out how house leadership comes together in a way that
still supports Ukraine with Tucker Carl's Carlson out there throwing a monkey wrench in it at every opportunity
that he gets um I mean why this obsession with Ukraine I mean I've seen somebody I mean
you know this is a Republican's perspective but there was a tweet that I saw with somebody who said you find a hundred billion dollars for Ukraine you
can't find five billion dollars for a border wall now I'm going to discuss whether the Border war was a good idea
but it was a Republican Plano project if you like and
it is the case that McConnell was shall we say unenthusiastic about it but he's
now telling everybody that Ukraine is the priority for Republicans why I mean
is it the money is it is it is getting all the money or is it because this is part of now a factional battle within
the Republican party that you know you know lowering support for Ukraine is
now becoming an increasing support Ukraine is becoming a you know a badge of loyalty if you support Ukraine you're
a you know you're a McConnell loyalist if you oppose that then you're a somehow
an insurrectionist is this what's happening to the Republican Party well I think there are a couple of things keep
in mind something so you've got the lefties and I mean real lefties like myself who um are are screaming you can
find 45 billion dollars for Ukraine but you know people need health care or poor people need food or things of that
nature right you've got the conservatives with their various projects whether it's a border wall or
whatever so you've got people screaming from all sides of the aisle you can find all of this money for Ukraine but we
want X and we can't get it so there there's there's pressure coming from all
directions now on that and I think they can't really figure out how to
um kind of square square that the other problem they've got is this this Ukraine you know you had the big
Afghanistan debacle Ukraine is setting up for the mother of all debacles now
the the because they've put everything on it this is the the neocons in
Washington have put all we're going to do this this is going to work we're going to take rush out all these
everything their all of their credibility was put on Ukraine if they stop they they know if they stop
supporting Ukraine that it's over quickly this thing is oh and it may be anyway we don't know but they know the
direction this thing is going and they're trying to prop it up as long as they can because if this thing falls apart
what did they say to Europe Europe's sitting there saying if we're cold we're
hungry the people are enraged the people they have exposed to the Europeans that
their leaders are not acting on behalf of their constituency that their leaders are acting on behalf of the U.S Empire
they have um politically just devastated and economically Europe so this thing falls
apart the Europeans are going to be looking saying was it worth it they've lost all credibility then what when they
they want to quote confront China who the heck is going to join on board with the neocons for any more Adventures
anywhere so all of the credibility of the neocons you know they took a big
gamble with this Ukraine thing we think we can do that and it'll take Russia out and it's not working and it's not going
to work and so you know they've got a tiger by the tail they can't let go they
can't hold on and now they're just wrestling with what to do but there is this is one of the uh let me put it like
this what they've done I put it like I use this analysis like jumping off a cliff when you're in the air there's no
plan that's going to change the outcome and they're in the air they're struggling they're kicking they're flapping their arms you can flap your
own explore you want to but that's not going to change the outcome yeah because of course again I'm gonna
come back to the point which is the zelenski came in with a huge shopping list and he came away with a single
Patriot system which isn't anywhere close to meeting his shopping list and if you're talking about Europe now I'm
going to say something which is a bit radical but I think that the worm of
Doubt as we say in Britain is now very much planted in the heads of a lot of people here I mean we've had sunak in
Britain an incompetent prime minister in my opinion almost an invisible prime minister but he's now commissioned an
audit about whether or not uh you know about what what we're getting in Britain for more support for Ukraine quite a
radical thing to do in bureaucratic terms maybe not a political one but
already apparently that's put him at odds with his neocon defense secretary Ben
Wallace who is a leftover from the Johnson era so we're having sort of
political tensions starting to grow and soon I wouldn't do that if he wasn't onto some kind of pressure to do it from
some Source then perhaps much more interesting and more important is Olaf
Schultz now until a couple of weeks ago months ago it was Robert Harbeck and and
Alina bear book who were making all the running in Germany I mean you barely heard about Schultz I mean Schultz's job
was basically to try and catch up with whatever extreme position hardback and bareback were
taking now you suddenly see and hear less of how Beck and bear book and
Schultz is suddenly appearing on the scene and he's calling the Chinese leader he called Xi Jinping just before
Medvedev went to Beijing for example trying to get the Chinese to broker a
peace agreement with the Russians or so he says we see him writing interesting articles in foreign affairs I think it
was or foreign policy one of those places saying you know that we must avoid a cold war you make speeches
saying if we can find a solution to this well we can all go back to where we were
before we can have the you know the gas pipelines and the oil pipelines working
again I put aside whether any of that is realistic but it does suggest to me that
some way that balance of the debate within Germany at
least at Elite level is now starting to shift and if it wasn't the Russians who
blew up north stream the Nordstrom pipelines who was it and if this comes
out in Germany that it was the US the British ukrainians the polls will come
to the polls in a moment well I think this is going to have an important political effect in Germany
uh you know I I I I think you're right and I think that um something was very
that was very important that was said in uh Joe Biden's speech yesterday a couple of things but that that a lot of people
Miss he when he was talking to um uh uh zielinski and he said I've
spent again I don't remember if it was hundreds of hours or many hours talking to the Europeans basically and I'm
paraphrasing here telling them you gotta stick out stick stay the course you got to stay with it right which implies what
that they're saying to him we got you don't have to say that if they're calling up saying keep going Joe we're
with you he's he might have said hundreds of hours but whatever he said a lot of hours so he made it clear the
Europeans are pushing back on this he also said the Europeans have said to me they don't want a war with Russia right
so we now know he's talking to the Europeans a lot and they're making it clear we can't hold on and and we don't
want a war with Russia so it's clear that the Europeans are pushing back a
lot Emmanuel macron has again said we have to be concerned this is the second time he got he came out a couple months
ago or a month or two ago and said we have to eventually make a deal and take into account Russia's security concerns
he got pushed back from you know the usual ukrainians or restovich or whatever you know you're a putinbot he's
come out and said it again Olaf Schultz has said when it comes to
um when this thing is over we got to talk to the Russians and we got to do business with the Russians again they weren't talking to Russia they were
talking to the U.S Empire I think they were going privately saying to Joe Biden
as he implied in his speech we got problems pal and this is not working for
us we got to find a a way off then they're coming out publicly that was their way of making it clear not saying
this is what I told Joe Biden but making it clear to Joe Biden we're going to put these things into the public discussion
we can't change your mind but it's kind of like um it was once said that uh I
believe it was either FDR or LBJ at any rate some activists had come and talked to him and he said
it sounds good I'm all for it now go out there and make me do it and go out to the public and drive the public to give
me the political cover that I need to do it I tend to think maybe macron Olaf
Schultz doesn't seem like the most sophisticated politician in the world but at any rate I think intuitively they
understand in a way it's good for them to kind of get pressure some pressure so
they that they'll gives them the political cover to go to Joe Biden and say the pressure's too high so they're going out creating a dynamic where they
get more pressure they build up the pressure to assist them to go to Biden and push him over the edge and say we
can't do it anymore maybe that's reading too much into it but that's what I think I do think it is reaching too much into
it I I mean I absolutely get that's the sense that that's what's happening but of course there is a space in Europe
because at the same time as we see Schultz talking about you know finding
some way to avoid end the Cold War we see the Europeans telling Biden we don't
want a war of any combined with the Russians we see Poland and we've had a question
about this room of Europe by the way a Poland engaging in some kind of a
mobilization I've been hearing reports about this for a couple of days um you know said to myself this is all
coming to the Russians I'm not going to take it very seriously it turns out it's absolutely true and you know I'm now
getting sources in Poland that are telling me this and you know a rock singer famous rock
singer has now been called up and there's this huge polish Force being put
together now is this I mean some people in Washington must know about this is
this something that Washington is encouraging is it something that is just
happening and the polls are doing it by themselves and that the people in the US
are alarmed about it is Poland acting as a kind of Rogue
state or what is going on well I mean have you any thoughts about this it's a very difficult situation to read in my
opinion but what do you make of it all I think it goes back to our discussion earlier about this Gordon voices in
various factions I think that in the same way we're seeing what's going on in Western Europe we're seeing the move
towards we got we need an off ramp right but meanwhile you got the Victoria Newlands and the the the uh uh uh the
super Hawks in the state department who are saying oh my God this thing's falling apart on us what can we do now
they either travel to or use their back channels to the polls
to say hey let's start maybe we can do this or that and maybe we can start up some trouble so I think it's there are
factions in in Washington DC there's no doubt more moderate factions that are
looking for a way out I would I would guess somewhere at minimum at least in the Pentagon but I would guess there are
moderate factions that are pressure pressuring Biden and looking for an off-ramp at the same time there are the
the neocons the super Hawks The neocons Knowing as we said earlier their entire
reputation everything they stand for everything they want to do if this if
this falls apart because if this falls apart how did it go after China they can't there's no possibility they lose
Europe they lose credibility worldwide there's no way that they can they can they can go after China if and when this
thing falls apart they've been thoroughly discredited they're in horror so I do think that there are extremist
factions in the U.S that will um that are aligned with extreme famous
factions in Europe and by that I mean Poland and saying let's try maybe we can
get pulled and they'll do something really really stupid these people are every bit as suicidal as the ukrainians maybe we we're and we're kind of running
out of ukrainians really sadly I I'm not saying that but I've said it all along the the the
um the neocons have no empathy no thoughts for human life so they may say we're
running out of ukrainians hey but we still got a lot of polls we can throw them in the wood chipper let's try to
maybe we'll get the polls and win the the and I you know we both hate to use this term when the meat grinder gets
runs out of um ukrainians boom we'll throw the polls in there next because
they they are enraged and angry enough at the Russians we can weaponize their
rage to use against the Russians and to use against them so they'll do something that's not in their best interest and I
think that's that may be what we're looking at maybe right but I think if that is the
thinking it is a catastrophic miscalculation I'm going to tell you what I think if Poland intervenes in
Ukraine it's going to split the pin it's going to split Poland there's going to be
major divisions about this in Poland itself a country which without having
visited it I know lots of people from Poland and I mean I can tell you this many of them are anti-russian in the
abstract and perhaps in practical ways but certainly they would not want to get drawn into a battle with Russia in
Ukraine I mean that's lots and lots of people in Poland would depose it but that pales
into the split it will cause in Europe if the post March into Ukraine to fight
the Russians uh the mood in Berlin in Germany I suspect above all is just
going to go absolutely I mean this is this whole situation is running out of control all sorts of crazies are now in
charge they're threatening to stop World War III we are not going to come to
Poland's rescue if they find themselves in trouble in um in Ukraine
we're not going to put ourselves you know risk or very existence for
Poland's adventures in the West in Western Ukraine and I think you're going
to see a massive and open split in the EU and in NATO over this issue and I
think I don't know whether people in Washington fully understand that but I mean if there is one thing that is going
to Galvanize opinion in Europe in you know the core Europe Germany France especially in Germany against this whole
Adventure it is as I said if Poland suddenly becomes involved and then they start turning to the Germans and saying
you know if we're in trouble you must come and save this I think that is a colossal miscalculation that's my own
personal view exactly it goes against what the europes are screaming first and foremost we don't want another War
that's going to turn this place into a pile of rubble and you know I you know I like to use a lot of analogies I had a
friend when I was a young man in my 20s and you know you go to bars or whatever and we'd go to bars and we'd have a
couple beers Well we'd have a couple beers I wanted to look at the pretty girls he wanted to get in a fight I cut
him loose I couldn't hang out with this guy anymore because I said you're gonna get me beaten up or killed that's not
what I'm trying to accomplish I think that will be it is kind of the view of
Germany and France and the more and I use this word reticently responsible they certainly aren't very responsible
at least more responsible than Poland um Western European nations they're looking at Poland I mean Poland now is
screaming at Germany we want money a trillion dollars back from World War II things of that nature I know the Germans
are less than thrilled with the position ideological and political and economic positions of the polls for any any
number of reasons but I do think that you're right it is the split because at that point I think
Western Europe says you know like I said when I was young we're here but we're
not here to get in a fight with these people and they're not going to drag us into it and it will exacerbate also the
split in Washington because I think you'll have people in the Pentagon screaming at the top of their lungs hey
these people you know what Poland's going to do they're going to go in there they're going to get their butts kicked
and they're going to scream Article Five and the the other countries are going to be saying oh no we are not going to
trade you know Berlin and London for Warsaw that's just not going to happen and it's game set and match at that
point I think bear in mind that there's already revulsions popular revulsions against
this in many countries so Slovakia the government has fallen and you know
there's always a split in the political class and popular sentiment but um my wife was recently in the Czech
Republic and she came away with a clear view and this is in Prague by the way and most people there were not happy
with the position their government has taken on this we have our government in Greece going mad talking about sending
an S 300 system to um Ukraine and a Russian s 300 system
Greece doing that um it'd be completely Reckless thing to do it would really enrage the Russians
and given that the Russians have provided support for this system in the past that
we turn around and backs tab them by sending it to Ukraine and opinion in Greece has
shifted and of course at the moment people are very demoralized across Europe for all kinds of reasons
um getting protests going has not been easy but one does sense the dissatisfaction is growing all the time
it's growing in Britain we have strikes all the time we have strikes in the railways we have strikes in the Health
Service ambulance workers are now on strike which is first time that's ever happened by the way postal system is on
strike and if you start throwing Ukraine into the mix if you start making people
think that Ukraine is at the core of this which it is and you know the
problems we have here and that the reason these people are on strike is because they're not getting money and
the reason they're not getting money is because we've got ourselves into the situation over crane well then you can
find yourself in a political situation which you cannot control and believe me
if Poland marches into Ukraine to fight the Russian army then I think all that's
going to come together very fast and very dangerously that at least is how it
looks to me well you know this is interesting discussion because here's what I think we're talking about
recently I believe Vladimir Putin said something to the effect of again when he was talking about the inability to
negotiate a diplomatic settlement with the with with the U.S he said our
interests are incompatible and I may be paraphrasing but you know our interests are incompatible in a way that you know
the wolf and the Sheep they can't come with it to it with a deal because the Sheep not saying that you rush is a
sheep by any stretch of the imagination but they want to tear us apart and take
all of our resources we don't want to be torn apart and have our resources taken our interests are incompatible I think
what's interesting we're also seeing this the interests of the U.S
and the European States is incompatible because the U.S wants to steal their
industry and Empower itself into re-empower itself industrial they want to use the Ukrainian people as Canon
fodder they want to use the European people as economic candid fighter and if
you look at now the interest between Western Europe let me do it a different way the interest between the leaders of
the European countries and the people of the European countries is becoming
incompatible in that the leaders want to go along with their masters in Washington and the people of Europe
simply want you know what human beings want they want Economic Security they want basic security so I think we're
looking at um what is and these things have always been present these incompatible
interests but now that the US has chosen Ukraine as a Battleground they've chosen
them this is the chess board we're going to use to play this game this is now bearing out all of the interests and and
we're seeing the incompatible nature of the interest between the various parties
um become more obvious you covered lots of things I think
because we I mean I have to we have we have a a limited amount of time I'm
going to call in Alex at this point if you don't mind uh and Alex do you have any points you want to add or things you
want okay well let's just take we have to do a hard stop in about seven minutes
I think yeah pretty much five five to seven minutes so let's just run through some questions and if Garland Alexander
you can just let's just try to answer as many questions as we can in this uh in this last seven seven minutes or so all
right uh Raphael says zaleetski's visit was a goodbye tour to me everything is telling me he is another Samuel Doe
Reagan gave Samuel everything he wanted then the end if I may if I may add this
look what happened in uh Vietnam when the Vietnam leader did the same thing they put him on a U.S jet they brought
them to you to the U.S they marched them around they went back and well things didn't work out well you know historically things just didn't work out
well for him I'm not implying saying what could or couldn't happen to zielinski I'm just saying we have a
historical precedent in in Vietnam the South Vietnam Vietnamese the means
president who did exactly the same thing and they were like hey he's wonderful we love him he's the best and he went back and let's just say he got fired
uh from Mr Wonderful Ukraine will be under Russian control by the time the first Patriot system is scheduled to be
loaded on the first plane hmm uh possibly possibly I mean we don't
know I mean I I I'm not going to guess about this by the way I should say just going back to that discussion uh Garland
did you head with Scott Scott was skeptical about a Russian Advance on Kiev I have to say I tend to agree this
is based not on my military skills which is zero but on what the Russians themselves have been saying and I do
wonder whether this Russian build up in Belarus isn't a response to this polish buildup we've just been talking about
yeah I think you're right I think the the the Russian buildup in Belarus may be a sane you know a fake it may very
well be something that they'll use but it could not be as related to Ukraine as people think it is it could have to do
with the other things going on on their border with NATO it could be a build up that they intend to maintain keep
permanently they just said they've got to build up uh you know because of Finland and Sweden they're going to be
building up their border this could simply be part of that and it could be part of saying you know if NATO decides
to get froggy as we say here in that area that we will be prepared to defend
Belarus and to cement their relation with Belarus and to say to Belarus you
know look we want you to be responsible we're going to give you special weapons and we're going to put real horsepower
in your country it's uh so you know to let you know we're there yes there's any number of things it could not be not as
much related to the Ukraine any Ukraine offenses defense is as some people think yeah uh Ricardo says zolenski is looking
more useful as a martyr than a leader again I think yeah it's the president's
yeah I will say this about zelensky I think if you remember president ZM who was just before my time and I have some
memory of him of people talking about him I mean he was a Messianic
megalomaniac type I think and you know he he wasn't prepared to step down he
was prepared to go to meet his death if you like to cling on to the presidential
position zielinski doesn't look like the stuff of Martyrs to me I think he'll be on a
plane to Miami as soon as he can actually that's my own guess he reminds me more of the uh what was the guy's
name the um the the U.S installed president of Afghanistan I think
you know on a plane with bags of money falling out on the on the tournament as
he takes off I think that's more the kind of style of zelinski's style I mean that 35 let's face it we just gave him
40 billion after finding out that they were putting money in a crypto scam yeah that's it's kind of he'll be
involved in a crypto scam of some type no uh Rashid says what happens to Nato
members when the U.S Elite policy has failed uh you know I think a lot of governments
are going to fall I think some of these parties that have been around a long time will be turned inside out or
completely fall if somebody comes up with a new some kind of as um Alexander has said a Reform Party
reform is some kind of change party there will be people jumping out of both parties into this new party because all
they're trying to do is just heat their homes and eat when it when people get that far you look at maslov's what
hierarchy of needs when they get down to the basement and they're just trying to heat their um their homes and you know
and eat uh as they say in uh the uh on the sea any important of storm
yeah can I can I just can I just quickly add to that I think Garland is absolutely right if this Ukraine thing
ends in a debacle and everything points to that happening then this is a crisis in U.S credibility and a crisis in NATO
the like of which we have not seen since NATO was founded I mean that is one of
the reasons why it was a massive mistake to invest in this project at all Alex I
remind you what you said before this even began that for NATO to stake its entire existence to to die on this
particular Hill of Ukraine was Folly and we're seeing that every day
um ssss says the NATO Article 5 is a bluff and Russians will soon expose this the Turks won't won't join the fighting
if Poland is involved directly keep in mind something well one thing I think is important to say
NATO Article 5 is a treaty it's an agreement that the U.S is in and as has
been exposed recently the U.S doesn't keep any of their promises any of their treaties any of their deals there's no
way that the U.S is going to fight for Poland or any of these those other Eastern European countries they don't
keep their deals if it doesn't benefit them going to war with Russia won't benefit them I don't think the U.S keeps
article five which is not which says they have to consider it it doesn't say they have to come in and fight it says
they have to meet and consider coming in and fight so it's not a drop dead thing here no I don't think the U.S is going
to keep that anymore they'll they'll keep any other deals right Sparky says Ukrainian soldiers in training in the
west could be used in a Bay of Pigs style Invasion after Russia takes all of Ukraine
invasion in Europe I mean Witnesses
because he's not their real president it wouldn't do him any good
true let's see uh Raphael says the speech Putin gave yesterday he was not talking to Nato he was talking straight
up to the USA I said it before Russia will take on the USA soon I'm going to push that back on that I
thought overall that he was talking to his own people I mean at one point he was almost apologizing as I said he was
saying look I did everything I could I worked really really hard perhaps I went
too far in trying to meet these people halfway and we see where we are and
we've got to do what we've done so I got the impression that more than any other speech almost on foreign policy I've
ever seen this was almost indifferent to the Western audience
yeah we've got to go but I went by saying this I think when I read Putin's speeches now I think he's talking to his
people and a significant portion of his speech is directed towards his allies
towards China the global South he's talking to his allies a lot but part of
it is going to be towards the Russian people yeah all right so well we are going to
wrap it up because we are out of time Eliana says just to thank you for for the work you do your minds and voices
are very valuable Merry Christmas yes Merry Christmas Merry Christmas to wrap
up this stream we're going to answer all the questions in a dedicated video as well thank you very much to Garland Nixon for
joining us on this stream thank you very very much Garland for taking the time out to uh to join us today
and we will have all of uh Garland's information in the description box down below and that's a pinned comment as
well um that's it thank you to everybody thanks to our moderators
have a great uh Christmas everybody

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