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Weekly Garden Thread - July 29-August 5, 2022 [The Rise and Fall of Kale Edition]
July 29, 2022 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 07/30/2022 6:48:25 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The red-shanked douc (Pygathrix nemaeus)


41 posted on 07/30/2022 9:00:46 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Liz

I read the important part: lardons!! :)


42 posted on 07/30/2022 9:29:01 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The strange thing is I’ve been growing figs for years - and never had these beetles until now! Will look into the organza bags, I see those around my neighborhood for various types of fruit.

I do have compost - so I’ll check that out as well.

Horrible creatures!!


43 posted on 07/30/2022 9:39:32 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (Rigged Elections have Consequences)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Umhum. Straw, chocolate, straw dust or cannabis, can’t say since no aroma in a photograph.


44 posted on 07/30/2022 9:59:38 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It depends on how you prepare it. I have a wonderful kale salad recipe and I also like it braised with herbs. I love kale. It’s a nutrional powerhouse.


45 posted on 07/30/2022 10:03:06 AM PDT by NeverTyranny
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

It’s just industrial Hemp, Dude. Quit harshin’ my buzz, LOL!

My state is lousy with it. Wisconsin was once a HUGE hemp producer, especially during wartime. From 1918:

WISCONSIN HEMP AS A WAR CROP

The production of hemp fiber is an item of vital importance in carrying on the work towards winning the war. Wisconsin is at the present time the most promising state for the further development of this industry.

Wisconsin hemp is now used in sewing the shoes worn by American soldiers and hemp fiber is at the present time the only suitable fiber available in sufficient quantities for this purpose. It is also used as cordage in ship building, and hemp tow is the best available material for calking vessels. During the coming year hemp will be used in the manufacture of binder twine and to eke out the scant supply of jute for covering cotton bales.

L. H. Dewey,
Fiber Investigations,
United States Department of Agriculture.

http://www.hempology.org/ALL%20HISTORY%20ARTICLES.HTML/1918%3BWISCONSIN%20HEMP%20BUL293.html

There’s usually a big patch where Ithaca (mule) fertilizes it regularly, and I found a patch along my north tree line earlier this year when I was laying the garden hose over to The Big Garden.

Once in a while I’ll add it to a bouquet of flowers to see if anyone notices, LOL!

(Of course, ‘recreational’ hemp is also grown here, but the bottom has dropped out of the CBD market, down something like 70%, so it’s on a downward trend. Dopers Deeply Saddened.)


46 posted on 07/30/2022 10:21:21 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: LibWhacker
That is one GORGEOUS Monkey, second only to the beautiful and glamorous, 'Diana' Monkey:


47 posted on 07/30/2022 10:26:01 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What was that temperature range for tomatoes ripening again?

You said they don’t ripen when it gets over a certain temperature.

What was that?

What are the ideal conditions for ripening tomatoes?


48 posted on 07/30/2022 11:12:39 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Bon of Babble
we are entirely a raised bed and container garden...our soil too is just not conducive to growing garden plants...my husband has built them all by hand using pallet wood and whatever he can find....

in the big boxes, 2 1/2 feet all, we fill the bottom with old wood, pine cones, etc then start adding coconut core, peat moss and whatever cheap potting soil we can find....

it is so much easier....

50 posted on 07/30/2022 11:45:33 AM PDT by cherry (;)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"It’s just industrial Hemp, Dude... (Of course, ‘recreational’ hemp is also grown here, but the bottom has dropped out of the CBD market, down something like 70%, so it’s on a downward trend. Dopers Deeply Saddened.)"

(What was it that Lenin said about capitalists selling communists the dope...er...rope they would use to hang them?? :)

Well! Here is what grows in Wisconsin! (Cabbage slide!)

Poof sorry image href gone!

They have 1/2 section fields of the stuff just southwest of Racine! You cannot imagine the smell as you drive through fields of the stuff on a hot summer day! (Or maybe you can!) Of course, they do not carefully tuck them in in a nice bed of straw like the picture! Sauerkraut! I see 1000 gallon vats of sauerkraut to go with brats and beer and the Packers and fall!

(Packers Slide over!)

I grew a Kaitlin cabbage this spring. Good Cabbage, intended for Kraut! Have seedlings for that, Farao, and some french red cabbage growing now! (I will use gardening fabric in a couple of weeks to protect from cabbage moths and loopers!)


51 posted on 07/30/2022 11:53:32 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: cherry

Cherry Considering the cost of lumber that is an excellent idea! I have to start looking at that!


52 posted on 07/30/2022 11:55:49 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

A good well here would be 300+ feet and cost $10k or more. Something I want to do before that is have a pond dug and have a pipe set into it that I can use for irrigation. My pond spot isn’t high enough in elevation to give me head pressure but it is higher than the garden area so it could gravity feed a tank or cistern near the garden which is also near electric service and I can pump from there.

Takes me an hour every couple of weeks to keep us in house water and drinking/cooking water. The former is spring fed creek water and the spring was certified for bottling and selling but they never followed through with it. The latter, I get from a neighbor’s 300+ foot well.

When I finally get the high tunnel built, I plan to put the water tanks inside so they should rarely freeze and like the house tank spigot, thaw by noon every time.

I’ve been researching everything about high tunnels for a few years now and have a lot of info and bookmarks collected. bootstrapfarmer.com is a pretty good source for plastic and earlier this year, I found a place in St Louis that sells coverings. That’s within driving distance to me so it would save shipping cost. Unlike a lot of online sources, shipping is not included in the price.

I could buy enough 4 year poly film to cover the high tunnel twice for $400. They’ve got a 20x24’ - 60% shade cloth for $200 that would work for it. St Louis Compost is on the way so I could haul my trailer, make one trip and spend $1k.

For the first go around, I’ll probably use wood strips screwed into place to hold the poly film and in 4ish years when it needs replaced, get some wiggle wire and tracks for it.

Everything will be manually controlled for now, vents, roll up sides, watering.

I think I get enough of a wifi signal at the garden/tunnel area to put a wiki enabled temp sensor in it that I can see from my computer or phone using Home Assistant home automation system and I can set up alerts for them. It’s open source and doesn’t rely on any cloud services and doesn’t connect to the web.

Forget to open things up one day and everything’s cooked.


53 posted on 07/30/2022 12:47:24 PM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: metmom

Tomatoes ripen best around 75 degrees. Any hotter and they stop ripening and may not turn out well for you.

Watering 2-3 times a week is optimum in hot weather. Cut back on fertilizing once your fruit starts ripening.

If things are getting too hot right when your tomatoes are starting to ripen, a shade cloth helps a lot. If they’re in pots, move them to shade for part of the day.

This is actually one thing I’ve never worried about. Tomatoes are weeds in my garden, and I always have way too many no matter how few plants I put in.

(24 plants this year, versus 36 last year when I almost killed myself from canning, LOL!)


54 posted on 07/30/2022 1:11:24 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

As a kid, I grew up in Milwaukee. My favorite smell was the yeast from the breweries! :)

And then Dad moved us from The Big City to a bedroom community outside of Madison...which had a canning company. So, yeah, I KNOW what a semi of fermenting cabbage smells like, LOL!


55 posted on 07/30/2022 1:15:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Qiviut
Your yard looks so inviting. Love the pine needle mulch!

You folks might well enjoy this article about pine needles. I found it fascinating:

The ‘brown gold’ that falls from pine trees in North Carolina

56 posted on 07/30/2022 1:18:52 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Liz Cheney, Trump’s personal Javert..."--Michael Anton)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks! Wish we had more White Pine. We have mostly Norway Spruce which doesn’t shed much and the trees are so dense and grow all the way to the ground that it’s hard to get under them. Plenty of pine cones, though.

You can’t beat natural ‘duff.’ Such useful stuff! :)


57 posted on 07/30/2022 1:23:02 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: GaltAdonis
I like escarole - especially in Italian escarole soup.

Same here. Wilted escarole with garlic and olive oil, escarole with white beans aioli (beans'n'greens), delicious! But kale literally makes me gag.


Chopped escarole and cannellini beans in broth

58 posted on 07/30/2022 1:25:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Liz Cheney, Trump’s personal Javert..."--Michael Anton)
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To: Albion Wilde
Italian Chicken Escarole soup is good too.

https://www.yummly.com/recipe/Chicken-And-Escarole-Soup-With-Fennel-Epicurious?prm-v1

(But with this recipe go with basil instead of fennel - IMO.)


59 posted on 07/30/2022 4:59:43 PM PDT by GaltAdonis
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To: Pollard

Pollard, Good deal! Sounds like you have it all covered!


60 posted on 07/30/2022 5:12:02 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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