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China's Property Crises enters dangerous next phase.
Reuters ^

Posted on 07/14/2022 1:26:49 PM PDT by Truthsearcher

China’s property crisis is leaping out of the frying pan and into the fire. Homebuyers in 22 cities are refusing to make mortgage payments on unfinished homes, Citigroup reports. The rare protest extends the risk of defaults from offshore developer bonds read more to banks with $6 trillion of mortgages. The fat tail risk of President Xi Jinping’s efforts to deleverage the sector is emerging, and it puts Beijing in a tight spot....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Local News
KEYWORDS: china; redchina
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So basically in China most people buy apartments in large condominium towers. The problem is they buy it from developers who pre-sell them when they've barely started to build.

Now many of the largest developers are going bankrupt and have left many of these building fully pre-sold unfinished, yet the buyers are required by the bank to continue to make mortgage payments (which they took when they pre-bought the apartment). They are revolting and are refusing to pay as a group and this is threatening the stability of the Chinese banks.

1 posted on 07/14/2022 1:26:49 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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Good post - thanks.


2 posted on 07/14/2022 1:28:33 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Remember when government paved the Roads and trained the Army – instead of lying and oppressing?)
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The Chinese are revolting?

I thought they were just rude.


3 posted on 07/14/2022 1:35:23 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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I have not kept up with all the changes and free market reforms in China in recent years.

I didn’t realize there was so much private ownership of housing allowed in China. Under communism theoretically there is no private ownership


4 posted on 07/14/2022 1:36:30 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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This is an easy problem for the ChiComms to solve. Just shoot a couple of defaulters. The rest will pay up ASAP.


5 posted on 07/14/2022 1:41:32 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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[shrug] That’s risk of committing to pay for something before it exists. Akin to our “cancel student loans!” protests.

_Goodfellas_ comes to mind: “F U - pay me!” segment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48


6 posted on 07/14/2022 1:42:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Statistics don't matter when they happen to you.)
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Not to worry, the Biden Regime will send money to China.
Wanna bet?
After all, China has sent turdloads of money to the Bidens - and payback will be demanded.

That family makes Joe Kennedy’s brood of felons look like CNN amateurs.


7 posted on 07/14/2022 1:43:56 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Dilbert San Diego

They don’t really own it. They have a long term lease (typically 70 years)


8 posted on 07/14/2022 1:44:19 PM PDT by TruthBringsFreedom
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The CCP started to put in more Free Market reforms in the late 70s, these reforms are what has pushed the country’s economic surge over the last 4 decades.

Problem is the current leader Xi had his formative years during Mao’s cultural revolution and seems hell bent on returning China to those days, his policies has caused China’s economy to be on the verge of imploding.


9 posted on 07/14/2022 1:44:45 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Seruzawa

They all bought speculatively.
Nobody may have the money to pay up, no matter the penalty for failing to pay.


10 posted on 07/14/2022 1:46:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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Does seem China has, like Russian Mensheviks, discovered that capitalism is required to generate enough surplus for communism to have something to redistribute.

Bad merging of the two results in China’s infamous “ghost cities”, entire urban areas built for reasons, which remain unoccupied. Sounds like they’re suffering the next stage of this, where builders get paid early for units - and having been paid, have little incentive to continue while someone else (mortgage lender) gets stuck with a loan for something which doesn’t exist and the borrower doesn’t want to pay for.


11 posted on 07/14/2022 1:46:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Statistics don't matter when they happen to you.)
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That won’t solve the problem. Their real estate market is close to collapsing already, if they did this who would ever sign another mortgage, knowing if you default they kill you?

That bursting of that real estate bubble would blow up their entire financial system.


12 posted on 07/14/2022 1:49:16 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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The GIGANTIC fear: this real estate problem could start to take down one of China's Big Five banks. Such a failure could have a fast domino effect around the world becuase so much money is invested in these banks by foreigners.
13 posted on 07/14/2022 1:55:37 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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14 posted on 07/14/2022 1:57:40 PM PDT by millenial4freedom (The Democrat Party thinks men can menstruate! How can it possibly be right about everything else?)
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Neah. The Chicoms will crash their Social Credit to the point that they can’t even buy food and starve them.


15 posted on 07/14/2022 1:58:16 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Under communism theoretically there is no private ownership”

Well, the difference is, under Sino-Communism there is theoretical private ownership! (being that the state still controls everything in every sector of the economy, no matter whose name is on the title)


16 posted on 07/14/2022 2:08:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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I watch these guys' videos. They were living in China but have, apparently, been kicked out. (Both are Anglos, and one or both are married to Chinese women.) They video and openly discuss negative things about China. A few of their previous videos discussed the speculative purchasing of unfinished homes/apartments....which, most of the time, deteriorate in no time because of lousy labor and crummy materials. They ride motorcycles to get around and have spent a good bit of time in China's "ghost cities".

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17 posted on 07/14/2022 2:19:19 PM PDT by moovova
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>They are revolting and are refusing to pay as a group and this is threatening the stability of the Chinese banks.

A great summary. Yeah, it’s a lot like Soviet Russia where apartments were the only investment Russians could make. If you had a nice place in Moscow, when you got old you could trade your place for somewhere in Sochi and make ‘money’ on the side. The Chinese are doing the same, but now no one wants the apartments.

State-run capital markets are going to crush us and the next generation will blame capitalism and not state controlled banks and capital.


18 posted on 07/14/2022 2:26:11 PM PDT by struggle
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The ones that do somehow get built are “tofu-dreg” quality. Falling apart even before they are finished.


19 posted on 07/14/2022 2:29:59 PM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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...the risk of defaults from offshore developer bonds to banks with $6 trillion of mortgages.

$6 trillion. That’s kind of a serious about of money. The U.S. economy is about $23 trillion, so this debt represents about 1/4 of the entire U.S. economic output for a year.


20 posted on 07/14/2022 3:11:19 PM PDT by Flick Lives
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