Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
Still have Bush fans here...Amazing
Pointing out one thing he did well on hardly makes me a fan of the guy. Feel free to back up your own claims, by the way.
All while Bush celebrated Cinco De Mayo up in the White House...During war time.
I was unaware we were at war with Mexico in 2006, LOL. It is entirely possible to hate illegal immigration and still enjoy a nice margarita on whatever day one feels like it, with or without the approval of various Freeper scolds.
Yeah, I heard you, Bush was a big supporter of secured borders...And if ya believe that, you're mentally ill.
I haven't seen you post any evidence that shows Trump's success on controlling illegal immigration. One photo op does not a border wall make.
Don’t be stupid. If you’re going to try your hand at humor, at least make it funny. Gezzz.
Gak~ I said Cinco De Mayo...Try to keep up. And American citizens who celebrate it are fools, but it makes a great excuse to get drunk. Hey, why don't you celebrate every foreign holiday or event? What do ya drink during Muslim holidays? Slug down some goat punch? Maybe some nice lizard drum sticks.
Grammatical errors are not a good indicator.
What?
Apparently you didn’t get it...
What is DeSantis position on the wall?
“Apparently you didn’t get it...”
I was told by someone that I can identify assholes when I said Trump is one. Assuming that person voted for Trump, I wonder if he would vote for me since I was an asshole too...I mean he admits he voted for one already...
And this is after Republicans and Democrats lined up to stab Trump in the back every single day he was in office. As people like you and the lying media did everything they could to mock, discredit and stop Trump from securing our borders. This is after 50 years of Democrats and Republicans giving you nothing but lip service and lies about securing our borders.
They never had any intention whatsoever of securing our borders. Learn it.
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Candidate. Do you know of another candidate with more to lose over election security than Trump?
Before Biden stopped new construction on the wall, the Trump
administration had built 458 miles of what it dubbed “border
wall system,” according to final figures compiled by U.S.
Customs and Border Protection and provided to U.S. News.
The wall consists mostly of 18- to 30-foot steel bollards
anchored in concrete. The barriers also feature sensors,
lights, cameras and parallel roads in some places.
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Not all of it for sure but he did make progress. We need to
finish the wall to secure the open southern border. jmo
And pray tell who do you think could have done better with all the backstabbing Republicans helping the Democrats to backstab him?
You are being completely unfair and willfully blind in your analysis.
He filed 60+ lawsuits about the voter fraud, which failed to put a single fraudulent voter in jail.
And the courts are garbage. This "standing" bullsh*t has got to be reformed. *EVERYBODY* has "standing" when it comes to the election of people who affect us all.
Rational people share it.
And questions like this is why I don't take you seriously.
"Overturn" is a lying propaganda word used by Democrats. Throwing it out and doing it over would be perfectly reasonable once it is discovered to be tainted with major fraud.
Of course there was some fraud. The problem is that it is impossible to quantify how much of the unusual Democratic turnout was due to fraud, and how much was due to the rules that made voting much easier.
Not impossible at all, just difficult, and for the various groups of people that have gone to the effort to prove it, they've found mountains of evidence of fraudulent voting.
Fake address, address of parking lots and commercial buildings, nursing home residents who are not of sound mind or catonic, ballot harvesting, fake ballots, and on and on and on.
Biden did not beat Barack Obama.
The entire argument that different voting patterns in 2020 proved fraud is simply ridiculous.
Disagree. Kiryandil has done fascinating work in tabulating the degrees of impossible crap that happened on a county by county basis.
More lost? Trump.
More to lose? Every conservative.
Sophistry. If you don’t want to answer a question honestly, then i’m not really interested in an exchange with you.
What passes as rational in your world.
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