Later snowpack melt means more water this summer

Cascadia Daily News ^ | June 11,2022 | JULIA LERNER

[Midwesterner53]

The middle of the country in the middle of june when we usually have hot weather.

[JD_UTDallas]

“It’s is NOT global warming.

It is Climate Change.

get with the program”

No no you are behind comrade.

It’s now climate catastrophe

[JD_UTDallas]

With all that water you need to get from that big Orange basin to the Real blue one they come close to each other in North Cal and Oregon a few tunnels under the basin divide or a pressure pipeline and siphon system would work. Once in the teal basin the California water project existing system can get water all the way to San Diego and the Central Valley then California can stop taking 7+ million acre feet from the Colorado River system leaving it for Nevada , Arizona and the upper basin states to use no need for a pipeline over the Sierra Nevada mountains just stop California from taking so much in the first place. The Coronado river compact should be avoided anyway it is based on faulty science and a whole new negotiation should be had. One where California doesn’t get 7 million acre feet every year regardless of what the other states get even in drought years. F California and their agricultural mafia.

https://biggerpieforum.org/environment/veins-america-stunning-map-shows-every-river-basin-us/

[NurdlyPeon]

We’re coming up on the longest day of the year. What good does it do to have daylight at 9pm when it’s cloudy and raining at the time? Serious Grrrrr.

[fireman15]

Interesting map of river systems. Weather pattens are more unpredictable than most people realize especially in the mountains. In the Northwest any prediction more than 3 days out is typically pretty iffy unless you are already in the middle of a wet or dry spell.

I wouldn’t say that it is not possible, but there would be major issues trying to get water from Washington to California. First, the Columbia River is in the way, but if you take a look at the topography other more major issues arise. The elevation of the Columbia River is only about 150 ft AGL as it crosses from Eastern Washington to Western Washington. The plateau in Eastern Oregon is over 4000 ft. AGL and if one hoped to channel the water through Western Oregon the passes that one must travel through to get to Northern California reaches a similar elevation.

If one believes that California’s high speed train project is a boondoggle... A 1000 mile long pumping a massive amount of water to a 4000 ft. elevation gain would make it seem like a walk in the park.

[fireman15]

Sorry more typos

A 1000 mile long canal and pipelines having to transport a massive amount of water to a 4000 ft. elevation gain would make it seem like a walk in the park.

[goodnesswins]

Ok...had a friend who lost his best friend in that avalanche...he convinced me to cancel my plans to climb the mountain in 1982.

[goodnesswins]

Just heard wettest Spring on record for Washington (probably Oregon, too) in 80 years. It has been lousy.

[fireman15]

Ok...had a friend who lost his best friend in that avalanche...he convinced me to cancel my plans to climb the mountain in 1982.

So sorry to hear of your friend's loss. I remember the incident very well. Although mountain climbing can be risky, what happened in 1981 was a freak situation that few if any could have predicted.

My family had ten small cabins 2 miles from the Nisqually entrance to the park; my dad knew both Jim and Lou Whitaker. In 1979 we climbed Mt. St. Helen's and Mt. Adams since the weather didn't cooperate for Mt. Rainier. You could get to the top of both of the other mountains without crossing large glaciers that became more dangerous when the snow melted off of them.

I used to hang glide in the mountains, and also fly my homemade ultralight airplane in the mountains. It would be lengthy to explain, but the Mikuni carburetor on the Rotax snowmobile engine strapped to the front of the ultralight was capable of high altitude flight when a lean jet was installed. When I purchased a general aviation aircraft in the early 90s, I thought it would be a good idea to check out the ridge lift on the upper slopes of Mt. Rainier.

When you can see that a lenticular cloud has formed above the mountain that means that there are high winds near the top and moist air is being pushed up on the windward side of the mountain. So when I saw a lenticular cloud one day while I was out flying I pointed the nose of the plane toward the mountain.

By the time I got to the mountain I was at around 10,000 feet. I approached from the windward side and when I got in close to the steep slopes, it was very bumpy but I found tremendous lift. A couple more passes and I had plenty of altitude to fly over the top. Of course I had to be very careful to stay out of the "rotor" (descending air on the leeward side of a big hill) which could be very hazardous.

I took friends with me on other days when the same type of conditions were present; it was always an exhilarating ride. These days National Parks are more sensitive about people flying low over the terrain. They request a minimum of 2000 feet above the ground. So it probably would not be a good idea any more and I am just not as adventurous in my old age.

[JD_UTDallas]

Much more efficient to go via the sea. They could tap the rivers all up the Oregon and Washington coast line or as this paper looks at go all the way to Alaska or B.C.

https://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk1/1992/9203/9203.PDF

[fireman15]

That is a very interesting concept, but as noted in the paper the expense would likely be prohibitive. I think it is great that you and others are trying to come up with innovative solutions. You do realize however that your dreams are completely in vain?

The real problem is that despite having the most natural resources of any state, abundant beauty, and almost unimaginable wealth... California is well on the way to 3rd world hell hole status. Their socialist leaning society is leading the country in leftist decadence. People are fleeing the state to get away from high taxes and a government bureaucracy that is completely out of control. California’s ability to successfully complete any massive government project will continue to wane in the future.

The Southern half of the state is rapidly becoming North Mexico and I do not see the trend reversing in my lifetime. We have family in California and had planned to retire there. We are still tempted because of the wonderful climate and terrain, but realistically it is a bad place to move on a fixed income.

[JD_UTDallas]

Portugal has similar climate and is very economical to live in. Same for rural northern Italy. I’m giving serious thought to spending my next ten years in either. I try to move every ten years to a new place usually a new continent. Before leaving the work force for the capital class I was a geologist of many flavors and an engineer working on 6 of 7 continents chasing that black gold. With all the fortune 500 companies coming to the DFW mega city my land alone is worth 5 times cut up into subdivided parcels what I paid for it more than enough to buy a sizeable chunk of rural Italy I don’t see the USA being a viable option anywhere in a few years.

[fireman15]

Despite investing nearly all of our money and years of effort into our properties in the Puget Sound region... we are hoping to bug out of here soon as well. We also have looked into both Italy and Portugal. Reasonably priced real estate, friendly inhabitants, lots of entertaining activities and beautiful places to visit.... what more could you ask for. WE even have a friend who owns property in Italy. My wife and I spent time learning Italian using one of the computer-based language courses and practicing together. Dov’è la toilette? Dov’è la fermata dell’autobus?

We were discouraged especially by the Italian government’s policies on Covid. Up until recently they were requiring visitors to show proof of vaccination to go to a restaurant along with restrictive entry requirements. They are still requiring masks at basically all indoor events. Washington State has been one of the most restrictive states in the country when it comes to Covid and we are nervous about relocating to any country which has followed an even more draconian path regardless of their reasons. Look at the nightmares that have developed in Australia and New Zealand.

Lately, we have been looking more into moving to a state with low property taxes and conservative state and local governments. We are hoping for a reversal of idiotic policies that have been rapidly eroding the value of our retirement but the long term trends do not look good, so like you we remain fairly pessimistic.

[JD_UTDallas]

Texas meets all your low tax, not full on lockdowns with no commies outside of Austin and Dallas the ghetto parts. Italy got it pretty bad in the beginning of the Rona they way over reacted sadly and still are. Texas has been mask free for nearly a year and we are not swimming in covid. By this point most of us have had it some had a bad go. I lost two close friends so is at least for them was not just the flu. It was before the vaxx came out. I see this country in full on collapse I’ll tolerate masks to have a spread in Tuscany. I’m triple clotshots with no side effects yet I just had a cardio CT scan but I have a preexisting condition that warrants that and have for 10+ years now. So I have my papers.

Documenti per favore documenti.. ecco i miei documenti. Ma molto più probabile per me dire sarà. Ho bevuto dov’è la mia fiat

[fireman15]

Texas meets all your low tax, not full on lockdowns with no commies outside of Austin and Dallas the ghetto parts.

I appreciate your input greatly. Unfortunately, nearly all the properties we have checked out in Texas have had extremely high property tax rates... 2.00% of assessed value and beyond in many cases. There are other states where the property taxes rates are much lower which do not tax retirement income. Of course one has to consider the overall situation as it applies to their personal preferences. My wife and I prefer to keep a higher percentage of our assets in real estate... property tax rates are more important to us than most people.

We are also concerned that Texas has an independent power grid with an over-reliance on wind and solar power which is quickly destabilizing it. We are currently living in a situation where we lose power frequently because of tall trees combined with high winds. We have to rely on our generator several times a year and would prefer not to. Fortunately, we have natural gas piped to our house, otherwise it would be a very difficult situation frequently.

[fireman15]

I lost two close friends so is at least for them was not just the flu. It was before the vaxx came out.

I am sorry to hear of your loss. My wife and I both worked and volunteered at the Life Care Center of Kirkland before the “Covid Pandemic” became a widespread problem. It was the first multi-level care facility in the country to experience multiple fatalities which were related to Covid. I was one of the first posters on this forum to report back that this was something to be taken seriously.

But soon after that, the reaction to the “pandemic” morphed into something that took on a life of its own. We were told that wife's brother who was on hospice care and had an inoperable cancerous brain tumor had died “from Covid”; one of the first “victims” outside of Life Care Center of Kirkland in our state. This was of course complete nonsense, and everything went downhill from that point forward.

I am of course very happy and relieved that you have had the one of the vaccines and a booster with no “side effects” that you are aware of. Not everyone has been so lucky and unfortunately my wife and I know numerous people including family members who have had serious complications directly related to the shots.

In some of these situations there is an almost humorous aspect. Some of our fully vaccinated friends and family have tested positive for Covid multiple times after getting sick repeatedly and then they typically say that they "feel so fortunate that they were vaccinated because otherwise their symptoms would have been much worse". In some cases it has become obvious to others that the likely explanation for their ongoing problems with Covid are because their immune systems have been compromised likely from the shots, yet they keep going back for more.

And no, I won't tolerate wearing a worthless piece of fabric or paper over my face to have a spread in Tuscany or anywhere else. This was a feel good political solution to a medical issue... no good came from it. I wear them when I am doing woodwork or working in a dusty environment, and also when cleaning up mouse droppings when there is the chance that they are infected with hantavirus virus. They also made sense when I was riding around in the back of ambulances with people hacking out their lungs from contagious pathogens like TB and respiratory MERSA.