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Critical shortage may sideline Diesel trucking
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Posted on 05/26/2022 10:53:28 PM PDT by citizen

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I had reasoned there would be severe trucking shortages coming, which means reduced shipping of just about everything but I had not heard of this DEF scarcity. A planned scarcity, it seems - just like a lot of other shortages we've been reading about. Black Rock and Union Pacific have been much mentioned...
1 posted on 05/26/2022 10:53:28 PM PDT by citizen
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I’m reading this usage is more prevalent in Euro trucking?


2 posted on 05/26/2022 10:56:40 PM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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Used here in the US. The truck I’m driving has a 10gallon tank of it.


3 posted on 05/26/2022 11:00:47 PM PDT by qaz123
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DEF fluid? Is that like VIN number and ATM machine?


4 posted on 05/26/2022 11:03:01 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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The engines won't start without it.

Not true. Truck ECM's can be programmed to run without it. It just isn't legal to do so.

5 posted on 05/26/2022 11:03:47 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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If there really is a shortage, Russia/Putin gets all the blame. BlackRock, Union Pacific and any domestic firm aiding the shortages will get a pass.


6 posted on 05/26/2022 11:11:00 PM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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To: SeeSharp

Interesting. I wonder how many trucking firms & drivers would run the risk. Illegal and would no doubt void warranties & insurance, etc.


7 posted on 05/26/2022 11:12:31 PM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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8 posted on 05/26/2022 11:15:53 PM PDT by markomalley (Directive 10-289 is in force)
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To: qaz123

I’ll be interested to read additional comments and info, as this is this is the first I’ve heard of this aspect of diesel trucking.


9 posted on 05/26/2022 11:20:00 PM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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To: citizen; Tilted Irish Kilt; Pollard; Roman_War_Criminal; SaveFerris; null and void

FYI ping.


10 posted on 05/26/2022 11:22:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith… )
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"I wonder how many trucking firms & drivers would run the risk. Illegal and would no doubt void warranties & insurance, etc."

Most farmers with a diesel pick up. Popular in farm country, where the cultivating equipment runs on diesel, too.

The engine computer programming allows only 5mph, if there is no DEF in the tank, but it CAN be diddled with.

Biden's people are REALLY itching to start a revolution. No food will do it.

11 posted on 05/26/2022 11:27:24 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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Egads! Farming equipment, too. Yep, the globalists really do want to starve us all.


12 posted on 05/26/2022 11:32:14 PM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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Buy Tesla stock?

Tesla is supposed to be releasing their semi in 2023.

It will be tens of thousands of dollars more than other semis, but the fuel savings alone should pay for the difference in a very short time.


13 posted on 05/26/2022 11:35:13 PM PDT by unlearner (Si vis pacem, para bellum. Let him who desires peace prepare for war.)
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I don’t see a limit imposed by Home Depot. I just put 10 in my cart and it was allowed.


14 posted on 05/26/2022 11:39:59 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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They would just need to change the regulation. They actually did that temporarily last year when replacements for failing NOX sensors were impossible to get. The SCR system on diesel trucks just squirts DEF into the exhaust as it goes up the stack. It doesn’t have anything to do with how the engine performs. The EPA mandates that trucks derate when the SCR system isn’t functioning correctly because they are assuming that no one would bother to fix it otherwise.


15 posted on 05/26/2022 11:42:56 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: unlearner

those trucks will not replace long haul trucks.

and second thing is how much will those batteries weigh?

100 gallons of diesel will move a rig 600-800 miles roughly, and doesn’t weigh that much compared to the batteries needed for the same range. not to mention the space needed.


16 posted on 05/26/2022 11:49:10 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: SeeSharp

Well, maybe they’ll do what they gotta do. Either that or lots of people starve.


17 posted on 05/27/2022 12:00:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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Well, first, the United States imports most of it's its Urea fertilizer.

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Regards,

18 posted on 05/27/2022 12:02:51 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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So if all new trucks since 2010 are required to use the DEF, how many older trucks can be pressed back into service to take up the slack?


19 posted on 05/27/2022 12:04:00 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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It’s time to go to the nearest collection center and pee for the good of all.

And yes, that could be coming, apparently, if we wish to avoid the DEF shortage.


20 posted on 05/27/2022 12:05:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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