Posted on 05/25/2022 12:15:56 PM PDT by syriacus
Should teenagers be forced to go to high school? Here’s President Obama from the State of the Union speech on Tuesday:
[Obama]: "We also know that when students aren’t allowed to walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma. So tonight, I call on every State to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn eighteen."
Another idea that sounds good as a bullet point in a speech, but not so much in reality.
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“to keep young people from competing for jobs with unionized workers. “
H1Bs and illegals.
I told my daughters to quit school and take the GED, that was back when you could do it before age 18. They passed easily, even though the test is harder than HS. Two of them have Associates degrees, the other one is making money as an artist.
I was forced to graduate by my parents. I absolutely hated school. It was like serving time in prison, THAT was a waste of time. The only thing I like was PE, sports and extra-curricular fun.
Let them master it and advance... but then the social indoctrination won’t take place
Agreed. Those on the trade track could go to a trade school or apprentice. College is definitely not for everyone. 12 years of education is not best for everyone. 16 years old is a good age to make that call. They can always change their mind later and go to college if that’s what they want to do.
Reading between the lines here what Obama wants is to mandate kids attend PUBLIC schools and not private schools or home schools.
“Any 16 year old that can pass the GED would have a choice to make. I think the schools are scared to death of what they decide.”
I would have done this myself back in the late 80s. I hated high school. I did well ... I was in honors classes and got Bs mostly (some As in stuff I loved, some Cs when I was extremely bored :-) ). I also got along with almost everyone. I simply hated sitting in that institution every day for 7 hours though. I missed a LOT of days :-). I’m sure they thought I was doing drugs or partying, but I was simply exhausted having stayed up all night programming my computers :-) (a Commodore 64, a TRS80 CoCo 2, and an 8088 based PC).
What frustrates the hell out of me is that high school serves little purpose for those that have no desire to go to college. Even those that are college bound get screwed with the current progressive mentality that cripples our schools. So long as your school district isn’t a total shithole, one will likely learn all of the fundamentals they need for life by the end of 8th grade. Most students do terrible mainly due to being completely bored and detached from the things they force down your throat.
That time from 9th grade to 12th grade should be geared towards studying the stuff that interests you ... they should be teaching the concept of “self-learning” and not training you to depend on some “expert” to show you the ropes. This applies to anyone ... not just college bound. The younger someone is, the easier it is for them to absorb knowledge. They ignore this fact and convince kids that they’re worthless unless they attend a college, get a degree in something they more than likely don’t want, then treat them like garbage when they fail to do well in boring nonsense (and also blame conservatives for all of the problems they created, but I digress).
Progressives seem to be obsessed with teaching “English” courses where they shove progressive garbage down your throat, math courses that are taught assuming everyone in the class learns like an aspiring mathematician learns (which is a big reason why anyone that is not a nerd like myself hate math), science courses that are mostly garbage, and other wastes of time.
Overall, our education system offers ZERO choice. It’s stagnant. It’s failing. It needs to be replaced. Of course, the powers that be don’t want to hear any of that ... they have the perfect brainwashing system in place that would make your typical Soviet envious. I wish more people would notice that, but they seem to just accept things as they are and figure that the kids will be OK ... it’s getting to the point where they’re getting stupider just sitting in those dumps. Frustrating.
Where is it 18? In MA it’s 16.
You sound like you were a very mature minor, unlike many today.
Graduation should be merit based. Demonstrate that you can do XYZ and you are approved for graduation regardless of age. Each state gets to set it’s own requirements. I would also set a minimum for college entrance but it would be higher than graduation.
I would recommend the following set as the minimum to graduate HS:
- Reading, writing and comprehension at 8th grade level
- pre Algebra
- US Constitution, how laws are created, rights and citizenship
- basic science (first aid, weather, agriculture, nutrition, computers)
- financial skills (open a checking account, loans, taxes, balance a checkbook, budget)
- Life skills (traffic laws, change a tire, comparison shopping, typing)
Lots of others but the idea here would be to get a person up to the level that they can manage their own affairs as an adult.
In England they end school at age 16 and either go to College or to work.
It should be allowed here as well.
I have heard of many home schooled children finishing their learning early and attending college at 16 and younger. Some are Genius level.
I was bored in school...got out of H.S. a half year early.
I was 19 when I graduated from school. I had to repeat first grade as I was sick often and could not catch up. The school did not have aids back in the early 60’s to help slow learners or kids that got sick and missed their lessons.
Since my Mom did not drive and we lived in the Country there was no way for me to catch up.
They did not send things in the mail. Now that I think of it that would have been simple and would have helped me.
I was happy when I finally got out of school prison. So much time spent there and my last year was such a waste of time. I had enough credits to graduate in 11th grade but I still had to attend 12th.
Figure that out? I had studies galore- boring, and I took the easiest courses- cooking,ceramics, business math.
You folks are all pretty good. We can all thank siracus for bringing it up. A groundswell of support for these ideas is doable when taking into account CRT and what’s happening at these school board meetings. So how do we get to the coming-to-a-head point?
Just always tried to be ahead of everyone else and always mindful of my
Dad’s famous theory:
“Life is full of consequences and outcomes. Choose one”
Don’t know about high school curriculum today, but the “manual arts” schools I am talking about were separate from regular / typical high school. There was essentially no reading, writing, arithmetic, history, etc. The schools focused solely on providing an education in manual labor much like trade tech colleges. The schools were very common in southern California until they began closing them in the 60s and 70s.
Don’t know about high school curriculum today, but the “manual arts” schools I am talking about were separate from regular / typical high school. There was essentially no reading, writing, arithmetic, history, etc. The schools focused solely on providing an education in manual labor much like trade tech colleges. The schools were very common in southern California until they began closing them in the 60s and 70s.
But didn’t the students have to go to school first, to learn reading/writing/ etc?
I was speaking to classes in public school that got kids interested in manual arts in the first place; and many of them went on to ‘trade’ schools after, or when they dropped-out, of public school.
“But didn’t the students have to go to school first, to learn reading/writing/ etc?”
Yes. They would typically attend school through 8th - 9th grade before switching to trade school.
Thanks.
My point was just that the old ‘shop’ classes in public school often piqued the interest of kids, and caused them to realize that there were different pathways available to them.
I’m a fan of Mike Rowe. He has often said that there is always time and opportunity for ‘higher’ education; and if one’s talents lie in the trades, nothing is stopping a person from pursuing both.
Students who are 17 years old and enrolled in a GED (high school equivalency) program
Students who are 17 years old and have received a high school diploma or GED certificate
Most other students of Texas public schools must comply with the compulsory attendance law.
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17 year olds used to be accepted into the military branches as recently as the 90s that I’m sure of. The enlistee had to have one parent agree to it and the one person I know was a 17 year old high school graduate. I don’t even know if they accept any 17 year olds any more, graduate or not, it was in the 60s when I served 4 years
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