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Why does the U.S. Air Force want to retire the F-22 Stealth Tactical Fighter Aircraft ?
Quora ^ | James Smith

Posted on 05/05/2022 9:13:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

I’m wondering if the military has determined that in the new integrated battle systems, air superiority can be achieved by less expensive means.

I was thinking about a defense system with 5000 cheap autonomous wireless self recharging drones whose only job is to carry a small rod of titanium and put up a wall in front of a high value target. One gets sucked into an engine, there goes a hundred million dollar plane and a five million dollar pilot.


21 posted on 05/05/2022 10:00:22 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: MercyFlush

And the F-35 will magically deliver as:

* Pizza delivery platform


Perhaps the function it will perform the best ...


22 posted on 05/05/2022 10:07:34 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: DownInFlames

The F-117 did a hell of a job on Rio Hato starting off Operation Just Cause as well.


23 posted on 05/05/2022 10:10:28 AM PDT by jagusafr ( )
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To: SeekAndFind; toast; All
F-22 Raptor’s Future Upgrades Appear In Art Posted By Air Force General
The art shows us new features the Raptor is gaining, including stealthy fuel tanks and special underwing pods, as well as a new missile.
by Tyler Rogoway, Apr 27, 2022 9:02 PM
24 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SeekAndFind

The F35 is not stealthy from behind, so it gets one punch.


25 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:17 AM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To summerize the headline.

They want to replace it because it works.
If anything works, the government wants it eliminates.


26 posted on 05/05/2022 10:12:50 AM PDT by SPDSHDW (You get what you let occur with no resistance. Everything Joepedo n' felons do is on your head.)
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To: Bonemaker

Yup


27 posted on 05/05/2022 10:13:14 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas)
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To: MercyFlush

We urgently need advanced stealth capability for pizza delivery in urban areas. This is probably what drives planning in this administration.


28 posted on 05/05/2022 10:15:41 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: SeekAndFind
For stealth, the F-22 is quite stealthy, but its potential was compromised in order to make it very agile, which in this day and age is becoming a lesser and lesser priority as air-to-air missiles become more advanced.

That's why they didn't give F-4 Phantoms guns. Well, until a few months of actual combat over Vietnam changed the minds of the geniuses.

29 posted on 05/05/2022 10:19:04 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Bonemaker

.....the term “planned obsolescence” comes to mind...maybe I am totally off base, but I cannot believe this aircraft, which was touted to be such a great addition to the Air Force’s inventory, is now eventually headed to the boneyard....


30 posted on 05/05/2022 10:19:44 AM PDT by TokarevM57
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To: PGR88
No, the program was not a failure. It was a quantum leap over anything else in the sky for 20 some years.

The F-20 cost per plane radically ballooned such that it was canceled at low numbers making the unit cost even greater by reducing the number of planes to spread outrageous development and manufacturing start up costs over. The maintenance costs of both the F-20 and B-2 are both sky high to maintain their stealth characteristics.

As an aside…. In the Afghanistan War, the wings were flown off the B-1 fleet. It needs to be retired quite a bit earlier than would otherwise be required. I have read that some or all of the fleet is no longer low level, supersonic rated as designed for its role as a contested space penetration bomber.

Anyone please correct me if I’m off on any of this.

31 posted on 05/05/2022 10:21:36 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Sirius Lee

...you are spot on re: the gun-less models of the famed F-4 Phantom II ....they tried hanging gun pods on them at first, but no one liked them and the armament guys did not like them at all, if I recall....then came the F-4E with the M61A1 Vulcan gun in the nose, and that was a game-changer....


32 posted on 05/05/2022 10:23:35 AM PDT by TokarevM57
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To: SeekAndFind

This whole defense industry crap is such bullshit


33 posted on 05/05/2022 10:23:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (Have you ever seen more crazy assed women than on parade nowadays.....it’s astounding ...and ugly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nomatter the plane, Tommy Cruise will save us.


34 posted on 05/05/2022 10:29:03 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: taxcontrol

“The Air Force top brass are a bunch of bean counters that believe they can build and operate one aircraft that can meet the mission requirements of multiple roles.”

And provide ground support from 35000 feet.


35 posted on 05/05/2022 10:29:52 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Hootowl99
No, the program was not a failure. It was a quantum leap over anything else in the sky for 20 some years.

It may have been a technological marvel. I certainly don't have the ability to judge that.

But a "cost per plane radically ballooned" should be a major concern - and perhaps the reason to consider it a failure.

In WWII, we had the most advanced fighter (the P51 Mustang). Something like 15,000 were produced, at a cost, if you believe government inflation statistics, at about $800K in today's dollars.

THAT is a successful program!

36 posted on 05/05/2022 10:32:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: taxcontrol

Jack of all trades, master of none.


37 posted on 05/05/2022 10:32:42 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: dljordan

A-10’s don’t fly at 35,000ft.


38 posted on 05/05/2022 10:34:43 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: TokarevM57

USAF was under pressure to get rid of A 10’s too a couple of years ago.


39 posted on 05/05/2022 10:37:01 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SeekAndFind

So we can update F-15’s but not F-22’s? F-35’s are to direct F-15 firepower as F-22’s provide cover. What will take over the F-22 role?


40 posted on 05/05/2022 10:43:42 AM PDT by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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