Is there any EVIDENCE that old people should get the shot?

substack.com ^ | 4/30/2022 | Steve Kirsch

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Some people claim that if you are old with multiple comorbidities, you should get the shot. But where is the evidence? Apparently, it doesn't exist.

Steve Kirsch Apr 29

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Overview

1. Some people claim that elderly people with multiple comorbidities should take the COVID vaccines and boosters.

2. The all-cause mortality data required to make such claims should be readily available to the public but isn’t.

3. Nobody I know has seen any data that would justify these claims.

4. It is unethical to recommend vaccination in any age group without clear and compelling data of an all-cause risk-benefit. Where is the risk-benefit analysis?

5. If there was all-cause mortality data that supported the “safe and effective” narrative, it’s highly likely we’d all know about it.

6. This is more evidence of a very corrupt system that no one in the mainstream medical community or media finds objectionable.

Introduction

Slide 54 from “All you need to know” showing unfavorable risk-benefit ratio for vaccination of the elderly and a 3% death rate per dose

Among people who believe the vaccines are unsafe, there are still a few people who still believe it is recommended for older people.

Arguments that claim the vaccines are safe either mix timeframes or they ignore deaths from the vaccine

One doctor told me a story like the following, “I know of nursing homes where 30% of the residents died from COVID before the vaccines came out. And since we all know that the vaccines are 90% effective, even if the kill rate from the vaccine is 25% for the elderly, there is still a positive risk-benefit.”

Nope, that’s not convincing at all. There’s a lot of survivor bias here. If the first wave of COVID wiped out 30% of the elderly, then many of the people who remain are already immune from the virus. So giving them the shot at that point has likely no benefit at all, only downsides. For a fair comparison, we must compare the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated groups from the time the vaccines were first made available.

Other people just look at the death rates from COVID and claim that the per capita death rates are lower in people who have been boosted. Even if that were true, it’s irrelevant because it ignores the possibility the vaccine can kill people.

The VAERS data showed nobody should take the vaccine

When I looked at the VAERS data in October 2021, I found that the vaccines couldn’t be justified for any age group. Even if the vaccines worked as promised, they killed more people than they might have theoretically saved.

I’m open to being convinced I got it wrong, but nobody wants to show me any real-world data.

Here’s a comment from one of my readers (bold part is my emphasis):

At the very beginning of the injection campaigns which started in German nursing homes at the start of 2021, in some cases there were 25-35% deceased soon after each 'vaccination' campaign. Acu2020 (Reiner Fuellmich) interviewed a few whistleblowers from those places, it was really heartbreaking to listen to this. Elderly were dying alone, and families were not allowed to be with them. How long can we all stand for this, but most importantly, allow it to happen?

So we should not be ignoring the deaths caused by the vaccines. We need to be looking at what’s known as “all-cause mortality” which would factor in any deaths caused by the vaccine itself.

This is the data everyone needs to see: just two numbers

I’m not asking for a randomized trial. I’m just asking for the two numbers that are required to support the claims being made:

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PING

[Reaganez]

The FIRST mountain of evidence comes from Israel.

Now, we have mountains of EVIDENCE from most of the West.

[House Atreides]

You short-selling vaccine maker stocks?

[caww]

I think the enclosed institutions of any kind, including prisons, schools colleges where masses of people are - and of course any illness will spread faster - was the idea. But there was so much “covering up” for NY state that any clarity nose dived in a heart beat.

[mountainlion]

There is growing evidence that no one should get the shot.

[caww]

That’s also what I’ve concluded.

[butlerweave]

Placebo

[mewzilla]

Meanwhile...

Jenny Beth Martin
@jennybethm

BREAKING: According to a report by the Epoch Times, nearly 400 employees at the CDC have yet to receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

This should be concerning to everyone.
5:23 PM · Apr 30, 2022

[mewzilla]

There is growing evidence that no one should get the shot.

Just ask those 4,000 refusenik CDC employees...

[mewzilla]

CORRECTION: Looks like that’s almost 400 employees...

https://m.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-hundreds-of-cdc-employees-havent-had-a-covid-19-vaccine_4429636.html

Per the article 382 CDC employees have yet to get drilled.

Go figure.

[ifinnegan]

To answer the question, probably not.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

[Smellin Salt]

Is there any evidence that anyone should get the shot?

[FreeReign]

CDC has about 10k employees. So 400 is about 4%.

[SuperLuminal]

Evidence, schmevdence...

Speaking as an UNVAXXED middle-aged (only 88) Freeper, in 15-years when I am old, I still won’t get vaxxed...

[The Duke]

My 84-year-old mother, with severe COPD and other health issues, did not get the vax. She got COVID/delta and was well within two days, with only a mild headache.

The difference was quick testing at home, followed by same day antibody injections and a week of nightly "horse paste".

But, we're talking about a disease that is rapidly on the wane.

[Scarlett156]

Speaking from the point of view of an old person (in my 60s): I have not had a flu shot in many years. When I worked in a hospital I got flu shots on a regular basis (where they were offered to staff for free) and I always noticed I would get sick with flu-like symptoms afterwards. So I stopped getting them. The last time I got a flu shot was in the 1990s.

The last time I saw a doctor was in, I think, 2004 or so.

I advise people not to get flu shots but, you know, you can do whatever you want. I think it’s a bad idea. People get these shots and there’s always an “epidemic” anyway. Now they’ve kind of turned the whole thing into socialist performance art.

I suppose if you are disabled in a nursing facility it’s not going to be easy for you to refuse.

I had what I’m pretty sure was SARS-CoV2 that started about a month ago. My roommate Mr K, also in his 60s and a non-doctor-seeing type person like me, was also pretty sick and missed like 3 days of work. I was really ill for a couple of days and then just kinda ill for about another week-and-a-half. The coughing took a while to go away but I imagine that would have resolved a lot more quickly if I would, haha, stop smoking weed all the time. LOL! *cough* Excuse me. The last time I was sick before this was I think in 2014 or 2015.

I’m not anti-vaccination because I can remember classmates and others I knew in childhood who had had polio and were disabled from it. (I’ve read that even this vaccination program was a fraud - not sure what to think about that.)

On the other hand, I was vaccinated against mumps and I was sick with it as a kid. It was like the worst thing ever. I still remember how painful it was.

So I’m pretty much wondering about all the vaccination stuff now and whether it might be about something besides protecting people from disease.

That they won’t let people be treated with common-sense measures (like HCQ for example) is a red flag.

Regarding whether there is any EVIDENCE that old people should get the shot: I’m thinking no. I’m thinking there’s a lot more evidence that this particular vaccination program is supposed to kill us off, not prevent us from getting sick.

Now, get off my lawn.

[TianaHighrider]

What kind of Antibody injection?

[Owen]

The vaccines worldwide, not all Pfizer and Moderna or J&J, got tested in the manufacturing countries. They declared them effective and deployed them. Clearly to oldsters first.

Time passed. The vax strength died. For all the vaxes. And for all immunity from prior infection, too.

The overall reality is the multiple vax types worldwide worked well against the original strain during the weeks/months when they and the virus strain, was new and original.

That’s no longer true. Israel says boosters fade too, in a shorter time than the original vax.

As of now, humankind doesn’t have a viable defense. The next surge will likely be the worse we’ve seen. Restrictions are off and vax will have faded. It’s already right now the worst many countries has seen. They vaxed a bit earlier. It’s older there now.