Posted on 04/25/2022 9:19:26 PM PDT by Libloather
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has signed a bill creating a new agency to target voter fraud that critics say is unnecessary and could be used for partisan gains.
DeSantis on Monday signed legislation intended to tighten safeguards against voter fraud while establishing the Office of Election Crimes and Security. The Republican governor's signature is the latest red state response to former President Donald Trump's baseless claims that the 2020 election was stolen. But opponents call the new office a solution in search of a problem.
The Office of Election Crimes and Security will be set up in the Florida Department of State and will be the first agency in the state dedicated to investigating election crimes.
Speaking at an event in Spring Hill, DeSantis said the new office is the most important part of the bill and will give teeth to other provisions. DeSantis said the office is the first of its kind in state government that will be able to prosecute voter fraud, and Florida voters could be confident their votes will be counted.
"The fact of the matter is when people see something that they think may violate the law, and you call the supervisor of elections - we'll they're not investigators," said DeSantis. "They're not law enforcement. What are you gonna do you? Call the State Attorney's Office? They do other crimes."
The Campaign Legal Center last month said the "new partisan agency" would "open the door for voter intimidation and harassment." Florida's governor will be allowed to appoint their own officers in every regional office of the State Department of Law Enforcement, taking away oversight held by nonpartisan election administrators and giving it to partisan politicians, the center said.
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Not a state cop. Not without a court order.
Bloody doom on 'em.
No, you are correct, a state rent-a-cop wouldn't even try.
However, a state LAW ENFORCEMENT officer can and would. And it wouldn't be one. It would be fifty of them.
Jurisdiction is something closely guarded by LEO agencies, and no way -- unless the Feds federalized a crime scene -- that any agency would permit such a jurisdictional violation.
And since guarding voting areas in no way relates to a crime scene and cannot be federalized (without a court order), the FBI wouldn't be able to operate.
And there are a lot more state cops in Florida then there are FBI agents in the entire Southeast.
Many people have the mistaken impression that the higher you go -- city, county, state, fed -- the more authority you have. In reality, it is the exact opposite.
Seen it, in person, a half-a-dozen times.
Show me a time he didn’t.
captain_jonas
Since Apr 18, 2022
Jonas be a noob.
You are correct, sir. See my posts above.
The broader the area, the thinner the authority.
Thank you.
Sure enough, I remembered correctly: "...local police usually have jurisdiction over crimes within that city, sheriffs have jurisdiction over the county, state troopers have jurisdiction over state roads and state-wide crimes, and federal policing agencies have jurisdiction over federal level crimes."
Weasles have not ripped your flesh!!!
Nice! I love it when I stick my neck out to a dick and get support from those who have real life experience.
Dangerous to have this a law in every state. The special police force easily could be populated by very nefarious people. It could go either way.
Put cameras up at all precinct stations... if the vote count from a precinct claims 2,000 ‘in person’ votes but cameras show only 400 people entered the building - investigate.
I’m seeing nothing but strawmen and cope here: First off, the state authorities have that right maybe in crime cases, but we are talking election facilities. The Democrats could send FBI down and claim they need these places “secure for national security purposes and election integrity”
Secondly, what happens if the FBI and Feds don’t budge? At that point the state authorities then have no choice but to go to a court/judge, oh and please tell me how that went in 2020?
” They can easily cheat in Florida, they just need to send down their people in the vote counting areas to take over and along with them the Biden Administration can send along federal agents to “replace” these state election watchers, and if the watchers object they will be threatened with obstruction.”
Bull. The feds would be arrested by Florida’s state guard for interfering in a lawful state election.
No, you are seeing knowledge and experience here.
First off, the state authorities have that right maybe in crime cases, but we are talking election facilities. The Democrats could send FBI down and claim they need these places “secure for national security purposes and election integrity”
There was only one time something like even REMOTELY came to pass, and it was in regards -- not to elections, but to the desegregation of schools -- and it required the activation of the Alabama National Guard, via Executive Order and based on a legal court order (by one Seybourn H. Lynne).
It would be an entirely different animal to claim a policing force, especially dedicated to stopping election crime, was illegal. That would require quite a bit of public gaslighting and preparation.
If I were you, I'd be less concerned about something like this coming to pass, and much more concerned about the infiltration of this Election Crimes unit by leftists.
Secondly, what happens if the FBI and Feds don’t budge? At that point the state authorities then have no choice but to go to a court/judge, oh and please tell me how that went in 2020?
No, they don't. They simply walk the MANY State Police right through the handful of FBI agents and dare them to arrest.
And then they arrest the FBI agents who attempt to interfere with a lawful State police action. State jurisdiction for ALL policing actions, trumps Federal ones. Always has. Always will.
You really think they will just walk past FBI if this situation occurs? Remind me again what security and state officials did in the 2020 fraud, literally nobody was stopping the fake recounts even though we knew by that second day that fraud was going on, nobody did anything in either Georgia or Wisconsin or Michigan or Arizona, and I probably missed a few states there.
Absolutely. LEO organizations take jurisdiction QUITE seriously.... and the offensive actions (e.g., active arrests) would need to be initiated by the FBI. Outnumbered and in the wrong, I doubt they would move.
Remind me again what security and state officials did in the 2020 fraud, literally nobody was stopping the fake recounts even though we knew by that second day that fraud was going on, nobody did anything in either Georgia or Wisconsin or Michigan or Arizona, and I probably missed a few states there.
Your timeline is flawed. The cheating occured in the 11PM to 4AM window (during the now-infamous Count Pause), and most state officials were unprepared. Recounting after that made no difference, and many of the battleground states DID recount... to no avail.
This is meant to prevent a repeat of the Count Pause.
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