Posted on 04/13/2022 7:37:16 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Most of the baby strollers my family observed on vacation in Savannah, Georgia were not transporting babies. Instead, couples perambulated about the city with . . . dogs. By the end of our vacation, we had counted more than 200 different dogs in strollers across the city. Seeing an actual baby in a stroller proved to be the exception, not the rule. The U.S. birthrate has fallen by about 20 percent since 2007, and shows no signs of recovering.
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I think it’s just a function of our unprecedented societal conditions. We are the fattest, most comfortable and passively entertained people that have ever existed. Remember the people who were predicting a baby boom after the lock downs? Didn’t happen, the birth rate went down if I recall. What did happen was that the obesity rate went up during a supposed pandemic.
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I am one such woman who decided not to have children. For me, it was because I have no siblings who could help if something happened to me or if my husband left me. My parents had a lot of emotional and mental problems and I could not see how I could take care of children and feel safe leaving them with them for periods of time if need be.
Yeah, maybe their father would be someone with a good family I could count on, but there are fewer and fewer of those these days.
Even those that once seemed like “good” church-going families and who voted for Trump have proven themselves not to be— they don’t want anything to do with you if you are unvaxxed.
I have a good female friend who is conservative and never had kids because her mother is a narcissist and just wears her out and her dad never stood up to the mother. Her brother, her only sibling, is a pervert.
My S.O. has a mother who is extremely mean and turned him off from wanting to have kids, largely because he is so emotionally drained from dealing with her. His only sibling died from a drug overdose. He agrees with me that it isn’t right to bring kids into the world who will have no aunts or uncles.
The parents of my friend and S.O. and my own are or were (when they were alive) people who only ever voted Republican and held their nose when having to vote for liberal Republicans.
My point is people who are politically conservative do not always come from the types of families that are good families for bringing children into the world.
This is not entirely a new phenomenon.
From Rudyard Kipling’s “Gods of the Copybook Headings”, 1919:
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: ‘The Wages of Sin is Death’
Yeah, i have heard of the 80s and necklacing. But you must have missed last year. A few have escaped and yes, Russia did invite them to come farm. But a huge majority of the whites in South Africa are still right there. The ones left are banding together in militias and enclaves. It’s a highly organized thing that served them well during the last ANC riots.
It’s actually much worse than that.
The ones that ARE reproducing are the ones with the lower IQs. And we encourage that by giving them more money for every child they produce.
We’re a post natural-selection society. Whereas natural selection gor rid of the weak and the dumb, we as humans (at least in the US) are doing the opposite.
Won’t end well.
Can’t afford it anymore thanks to Great Reset, democrats, republicans, control freak governments, federal reserve, printing presses......and on and on
“The bad news for women is that they’re living in a world where the vast majority of inventions were inspired by men’s desire to lessen women’s workload.”
That act of generosity on the part of men is seriously backfiring on men.
It’s the thing that’s most responsible for creating the scourge of feminism - Feminazis who now want the men castrated.
A great example of “No good deed ever goes unpunished”.
Don’t forget the punitive western culture “family court” which is 1000% anti father. Dad is pushed out of the household via a wink and nod from the government agencies. Dad has ZERO say in the raising of his children. He is then ordered to pay matriarchy support on pain of debtor’s prison.
Wonder why the western birth rate is so low? /s
Idiocracy, here we come.
Good post. Many people have decided not to have children because they're very aware of how screwed up they are from their parents. Many prefer to avoid having children versus screwing them up too.
The Olager generation had a lot of children due to economic excesses in the United States after the destruction in Europe. They ignored alcoholism, mental illness, etc. and turned a blind eye in their efforts to fit into the new society. Clergy and elders in organized churches were particularly guilty of denying reality. For example, they encouraging gay men to get married as though it would straighten them out.
The growing number of drug-addicted, mentally ill, and homeless is a downstream effect of a generation or two ignoring problems in their own homes and instead procreating as though everything was normal.
One major difference between those times and now is that people have a way to stop from getting pregnant.
What were the post-war “baby boom” rates in Europe versus the U.S.?
Even taking into account that more Europeans died in WWII and weren’t around to reproduce, were family sizes after the war lower in Europe?
The U.S. had the advantage of not having the war on our doorstep, but for Hawaii, and people here thus had more optimism and hope for the future.
Condoms existed just after the war for those who wanted them.
I don’t think the sentiment about not wanting to bring children into a world people think is going to pot is a new thing so much as something people in current times actually give thought to because they feel they have a choice as to bring children into the world or not. I don’t think people in years past gave it a lot of thought. There just wasn’t anything gained from giving it thought. For if they felt they shouldn’t have kids, then they wouldn’t be able to have sex and or marry.
Most women had to marry in the past in order to survive. To the extent that they had rudimentary knowledge of ovulation cycles, they weren’t in a position to tell their husbands “Not this week.”
Not all people who give it thought are politically liberal. Some conservatives who don’t have children believe it is the responsible thing for them to do.
Muslims -- If we can't get them out - we'll breed them out.
RE: Post 42: (Chelsire)
Good post. No aunts/uncles=shouldn’t have kids. The problem starts with 2(two) child families. You need 3 to have the support system. Hopefully most of the cousins will get along and make up for the one or 2 that don’t fit in to put it mildly.
Not all people who give it thought are politically liberal. Some conservatives who don’t have children believe it is the responsible thing for them to do.
Yes, but the sentiment algore is expressing is far more strident than a simple, "Well, I, for my part, feel that - due to my personal circumstances (financial situation, etc.) - it would be imprudent or even unconscionable for me to bring children into the world."
Rather, algore wrote:
Why would anyone want to have a child in the world today?
(Emphasis my own.)
Such a rhetorical question strongly implies that algore believes that the state of the world as such makes it morally reprehensible for anyone to bring children into it.
I have no bone to pick with algore, but such an attitude is extremely pessimistic, defeatist, and even anti-life, and a person holding such views really should just retire from the political discourse and maybe even resign from life entirely. What, after all, do they have of value to contribute to the discussion if the world is not worth saving / is doomed, anyway?
Regards,
Were they using the strollers to bring them home from a sex change operation?.
Children are artillery shells we fire into the future.
The difference nowadays between all those other situations is that the world has grown smaller, thanks to technology. There’s no longer any place in the world to run to and escape such problems, and problems are no longer limited to one nation or region, but eventually infect every place, again thanks to technology. And we cannot hope that technology will suddenly provide us with cures for the problems that technology exacerbates, because the real cause of all these problems is humanity itself, and technology cannot fix us, it can only magnify our evils.
“We owe them something for what they have given us and going extinct is not what they would want.”
Well maybe the generation that embraced feminism, no fault divorce, abortion, and government-subsidized birth control should have thought about that before leaving this kind of world to their children.
“What, after all, do they have of value to contribute to the discussion if the world is not worth saving / is doomed, anyway?”
A Christian might say:
The world is doomed no matter what anyone does. Nobody can change that. The good news is that individuals can be saved, even though the world can’t. So one can focus on that at least.
My thinking-every woman should bring one child into the world. Doesn’t matter if she’s screwed up. Let bigger families raise the child. Fit right in. We’ll all be better off and so will she. Pregnancy builds long-term defenses and she will feel guilty forever but she’ll know she did the right thing.
Married couples should have 2 kids minimum and stable married ones should have 3 minimum. Sound neanderthal? I plead guilty.
A minimalist government policy would promote these births through the tax code and support for faith based support. Eliminate ‘screwed up’ stigma.
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