Posted on 04/01/2022 9:08:49 AM PDT by RandFan
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“Donald Trump deserves credit for breaking the neocon orthodoxy. He articulated a simple policy — America First.”
@RepDanBishop addresses #UpFromChaos live in Washington, D.C., outlining a realist vision for foreign policy
(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...
It seems he carries the mantle of former Rep. Walter B. Jones (RIP).
Anyone know more about him please?
Yep...but Jones went weirdo at the end.
Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): “Donald Trump deserves credit for breaking the neocon orthodoxy”
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I want desperately to beleive this, but let’s wait and see. I liked how Trump talked during his 1st term, but I want to hear him speak about current issues. He needs to be real careful with his sabre-rattling rhetoric. This ain’t the party of George Bush jr. anymore.
Wait, weren’t you the guy who didn’t deny asserting Trump is a globalist poof?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4050333/posts?page=74#74
To: Bishop_Malachi
BM: Who knows what Trump really is?
Kevmo:***He stated explicitly that he supports Ukraine.
BM:1) There’s lots of things that Trump “explicitly stated” that he didn’t do.
***That is a nonsequitur. He explicitly STATED that he supports Ukraine, and that video points out explicit THINGS HE DID to support Ukraine. When you explicitly state that you support Ukraine then you support Ukraine. When you point out things you DID to support Ukraine then you supported Ukraine. You have a serious comprehension problem.
2) I noticed you dodged the statement about Trump’s policy not being much different than Biden’s.
***I do not dodge. Where is the dodge? I send you to the video. It addresses your bullshiite assertion. That is not a dodge.
3) You really want to accuse the Russians of illegally invading sovereign nations?
***Yes. Duhh. It’s incredibly obvious with Ukraine.
Really? You really are a brainless chickenhawk, aren’t you?
***Talk about dodging, paytywaist appeaser. You really are a Putin Puffer, aren’t you?
4) After 17 years in Iraq and 19 in Afghanistan I’m sure many American families who had their sons killed wished that we had more “appeasers” (as you call them) making foreign policy in Washington.
***I understand the sentiment. But we SIGNED that agreement, we dismantled those nukes, and the Rukes invaded the Ukes BECAUSE they didn’t have nukes. You wanna talk about more than 6months in Iraq or Afghanistan, then address it where it ain’t a red herring, on my emBASEee Strategee thread.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
5) The best thing for you to do as the resident “Neo Con”...or sorry...”Paleo Con” as you call yourself...is to get off the couch and take your candyass over to Ukraine as a volunteer.
***I’m ready to go. Set up my GoFundMe account so you can track how I’m gonna spend your money over there. I will be joining their suitcase nuke project.
That’s how I’d like to see you “honor our agreement”.
***GoFundMe I’ll go.
If we’re lucky maybe we can read about you as the next casualty...
***If we’re lucky the Russkies will target your home in their nuke retaliation. Your home and only your home.
another useful idiot globalist poof dead on Ukrainian soil.
***You would call Trump a globalist poof. Frack off.
Too many still on Free Republic.
Need to stomp them, like roaches.
Worse than roaches.
Until every last Bush League Republican is replaced the neocon orthodoxy is alive and well.
I’ve heard of “Climate Deniers”. Am I the dreaded “Trump is the the Messiah” Denier now?
I’ll tell you exactly what I am. I’m the guy that wishes you were as keen on picking up a rifle and defending our borders from illegals (or defending our monuments from desecration by Antifa/BLM/Leftist scum) as you are about going 1/2 way around the globe to kill Russians. That’s what I am.
I’ve heard of “Climate Deniers”. Am I the dreaded “Trump is the the Messiah” Denier now?
***You are the head of the Straw Argument appeasers.
I’ll tell you exactly what I am.
***I’ll throw down with you on Free Republic’s definition of Conservative. Check my home page for the concept of an ideology profile.
I’m the guy that wishes you were as keen on picking up a rifle and defending our borders from illegals
***Red Herring. You forget our own interactions on this:
ZELENSKYY CALLS FOR WORLD WAR III!!!
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Kevmo to Bishop_Malachi
I’m doubly glad that the US hasn’t invaded anyone recently.
***Russia invaded their southern border, so it’s okay. Mexico is overdue for one.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
as you are about going 1/2 way around the globe to kill Russians.
***It is right to defend our borders — heck, even to invade Mexico & set up a 100 mile buffer zone of protection against that Narco State Pushing Illegal Colonizers North. It is also right to defend Ukraine’s borders & sovereignty, as we said we would do in the Budapest Agreement. The democraps refuse to do the right thing on Mehico, but are willing to do the right thing on Ukraine. That doesn’t make it wrong to do the right thing with Ukraine, especially when we’re pushing the Ukes into a nuke corner.
That’s what I am.
***What you are is a guy who throws down classic fallacies like they were breadcrumbs in a Hansel & Gretel fantasy.
The Ukraine would never have happened had they not stolen 2020.
Bush and Cheney nuthuggers hardest hit
“I liked how Trump talked during his 1st term, but I want to hear him speak about current issues. He needs to be real careful with his sabre-rattling rhetoric. This ain’t the party of George Bush jr. anymore.”
He’s been a little too hawkish on Ukraine for my taste.
Perhaps he’ll mellow that a little after the passion subsides.
Oh my, how I long for a POTUS that practices Realpolitik.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
I don’t have to “check your homepage” for a definition. The practice and theory of your ideology are clear from your posts.
“You are the head of the Straw Argument appeasers.”
*****Arguing that people who oppose US involvement in yet another foreign conflict are “appeasers” or “Putinistas” are Straw Arguments too.
“YET ANOTHER red herring. Between those red herrings and all those classic fallacies you throw around, it is time you took a critical thinking class.”
*****No it isn’t. Get off your ass (and away from your keyboard) and head to the US/Mexican border. Surely you don’t need a GOFUNDME page for that.
“What you are is a guy who throws down classic fallacies like they were breadcrumbs in a Hansel & Gretel fantasy.”
It’s clear that you agree with defending the “Budapest Agreements” under the present circumstance....I don’t. I didn’t agree to the treaty. Given preent circumstances I don’t agree with sending troops to enforce it now. The fact that you do doesn;t prove you’re a “conservative”. It just proves you’re hopelessly locked into a view that the US is the world’s policeman. If you make treaties all over the globe, then you are gonna be in a constant state of war when some crisis arises. Sorry, it’s time to stop intervening in conflicts where the responsibility for providing stability is much closer to the crisis (i.e. Europe). My advice to you is to stop reading so many Tom Clancy novels (and playing Axis and Allies) and focus on the gobs of real problems that exist here. We don’t need to invade Mexiso, we just need ot enforce the border (from our side of it).
Those two things are very different.
Budapest Agreement
A piece of paper signed by Bill Clinton.
Never even submitted to the Senate for ratification as a treaty. OR to the Duma.
Take it to the bank and see if they’ll cash it lol
I don’t have to “check your homepage” for a definition.
***Yeah, because you do not adhere to the definition of a conservative as posted by the founder of Free Republic. That makes you basically a troll.
The practice and theory of your ideology are clear from your posts.
***Why thank you. Yours isn’t nearly as clear. You should take that writing class.
Kevmo:“You are the head of the Straw Argument appeasers.”
Bishop:*****Arguing that people who oppose US involvement in yet another foreign conflict are “appeasers” or “Putinistas” are Straw Arguments too.
***We SIGNED UP for “involvement” when we signed that Budapest Agreement. It’s you appeasing pootypoootinistas who are abrogating that agreement.
Kevmo: “YET ANOTHER red herring. Between those red herrings and all those classic fallacies you throw around, it is time you took a critical thinking class.”
Bishop: *****No it isn’t.
***Fantastic arguing, StrawArguer. I suppose in your mind we should all just go home satisfied that, because you said it, it is so. How about you DEMONSTRATE some solid critical thinking to prove that you don’t need to take such a class, hmmmmm?
Get off your ass (and away from your keyboard) and head to the US/Mexican border.
***Dog-vomit, returning to your Red Herring argument. Look! a Squirrel!
Surely you don’t need a GOFUNDME page for that.
***The Mehicans aren’t being pushed into a nuclear corner and didn’t sign an agreement dismantling a third of the Soviet Union’s nuclear arsenal. Surely you DO need to take that critical thinking class to see that preventing nukular holokaust is far more important than preventing illegal colonizing, especially when the oppo party is willing to do one but not the other.
Kevmo: “What you are is a guy who throws down classic fallacies like they were breadcrumbs in a Hansel & Gretel fantasy.”
Bishop: It’s clear that you agree with defending the “Budapest Agreements” under the present circumstance....I don’t. I didn’t agree to the treaty.
***Oh, cool. I didn’t agree to the treaty that gives you a right to exist, so let’s both proceed accordingly, shall we?
Given preent circumstances I don’t agree with sending troops to enforce it now.
***Given the present circumstance that the Ukes are in an existential war and are being pushed by the voidness of that agreement into a nuke presentation, I think it prudent to send all the forces we can muster. Now.
The fact that you do doesn;t prove you’re a “conservative”.
***Reasonably good point. But I would still throw down on conservative values against a troll like you.
It just proves you’re hopelessly locked into a view that the US is the world’s policeman.
***No I’m not. Straw Argument. I am ‘semi-locked’ into the AmericaFirst emBASEee strategee view [ https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts ]
that, like Trump once said, “we should bomb the shiite out of them and take their oil”. Your buttyboy pootypoot is of the same view and is taking Uke oil. [https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts]
If you make treaties all over the globe, then you are gonna be in a constant state of war when some crisis arises.
***Interesting but hyperbolic hypothetical, it does not apply. We’re talking about ONE treaty, the Budapest Agreement.
Sorry, it’s time to stop intervening
***Then we should loudly tell the whole world that our word is no good, even when it comes to making the world safer by taking nukes off the table.
in conflicts where the responsibility for providing stability is much closer to the crisis (i.e. Europe).
***I agree with much of this statement. There were other signatories to the Budapest Agreement, like the Irish and the English. The Irish didn’t put any boots on the ground — woulda been a purely conventional move. Neither did the brits, but they have nukes so it hints that there’s nuke aspects to this whole thing. And then there’s the USA which signed that agreement, so the brits & Irish are looking to them for absent leadership, giving openings to weenieppeasers like you.
My advice to you
***My advice to you is to take that critical thinking class.
is to stop reading so many Tom Clancy novels
***Haven’t read a single one.
(and playing Axis and Allies)
***Now there’s a cool game.
and focus on the gobs of real problems that exist here.
***I do. Notably, I do not see you logging onto those ‘real crisis’ threads where I discuss those gobs of real problems because you simply use these issues as a red herring. Look! another squirrel!
We don’t need to invade Mexiso,
***We sure as hell do.
we just need ot enforce the border (from our side of it).
***Ohh, I get it, you’re going for that “Bell the cat” angle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat
Then give them back their nukes, simple as that.
The Russians OBVIOUSLY violated that agreement by invading, twice. So we can just as obviously fight the Russians off and claim that we are “respecting the borders” as set up in that agreement.
But pantywaist appeasers like you are looking for ways to abrogate our obvious moral responsibilities in that agreement. By doing so you push Ukraine into a nuke corner, where they realize that having nukes woulda voided off these 2 invasions, that nukes mean sovereignty.
Hence, pootypoot appeasers are not learning the Sudetenland lesson a second time in history. Why that surprises me, well, that’s sumnthin I’ll have to figure out on my own.
Well we need to replace about 50 senators, but I don’t see any of them being primaried
It’s sad that even the Amnesty Senators Rubio and Hoeven are not being primaried.
All of the Bush Leaguers need to go, but the ones who have already betrayed the citizens REALLY need to be replaced.
They still act like it is 2003 and the WMD’s are in Iraq. They have been lied too repeatedly and had the US government try multiple coups against a dully elected sitting president and STILL-STILL they believe the utter BS shoveled by the US intelligence apparatchiks and their DOD counterparts. Hint-take a course on recognizing when you have been lied too by the warmongers all you FR/Bush/RINO neocons.
“Then give them back their nukes”
No.
Written copies of the Budapest Agreement are prima facie proof that Ukraine is not smart enough to be their own country, much less a country with over 1,000 nukes and their delivery systems.
That would be an insane, suicidal act for the world.
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