Posted on 03/24/2022 5:06:41 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Let’s not go charging into the valley of death with our junto of fatuous fanatics in command.
merica is drifting toward war, wafted by a chorus of political and punditical sirens. A great many of them are conservatives, including popular media personalities with large audiences. They’ve been warned by other conservatives about the risks of confrontation with Russia that deeper intervention in Ukraine poses.
But since few want to abandon the Ukrainians altogether, the conservative camp faces a quandary. How much risk is too much risk? Is riskiness more a matter of the quantity or the quality of support we provide to Ukraine? Is it more a matter of optics or battlefield utility? Does it matter from exactly whence it immediately arrives? Is it important how much it steers the antagonists toward possible off-ramps? These would be difficult questions for even a consummate diplomatist to answer. Not an eager player of Russian roulette, for whatever it’s worth, I incline toward overall prudence. Keep the supplies flowing at pretty much their present rate and hope deadlock leads eventually to an agreement that neither side will like but that both can politically accept. Or so it seems to me.
Perhaps such a mutualistic outcome isn’t possible. Perhaps one side or the other will have to be clearly defeated before full-scale war comes to an end. If so, and it’s the Russians who are going down, we face a significant likelihood that Putin will try to save himself by expanding the war or using nuclear weapons. Defeat would not be fatal for Russia, but it would probably be so for him. Avoiding that disaster will call for mature statesmanship (perhaps brinksmanship) together with a great deal of luck.
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You believe the propaganda and assume their nuclear war making capabilities are bunk. Dumb, just dumb.
As my grandma (PBUH) used to say, "That and a nickel will get you on the subway".
Right then, right now.
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Moscow and St Petersburg can be obliterated in minutes
Same with DC, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, San Francisco etc.
Putin is very well aware of that fact. If he tries to engage with a nuc, he has no Russia to rule
Russia has vast tracts of mostly empty land in Siberia even if the big cities in European Russia get taken out.
Siberia alone is bigger than the entire United States.
Re: 12 - What are the specific US national security interests in becoming overtly involved in the Russian-Ukraine war?
The population of the island of Java is greater than all of Russia. The Gross Domestic Product of Russia ia smaller than Canada.
Mostly there is no there there
Russia has the nuclear weapons of the USSR.
None of the other ex Soviet Republics has any.
First, there is no reason to become involved. It is obvious that well supplied Ukranian troops are winning the issue.
Further, I see no US national issue. There are several European national issues. That fact is coming into play as various Euro players lend support to Ukraine. Russia desperately wants to assure that Ukraine does not become a part of NATO. Ukraine has been accepted into the European Union rather than the now defunct Soviet Union.
The question in my mind is how Russians will pay reparations. Will they repay in Euros or in a decades long free oil and gas ?
Those questions are presently irrelevant
“This war has been more destructive of lives and property than any since the battles of World War II, and in only one month’s time.”
Once upon a time there was this minor excursion called the Korean War...
You’re the first FReeper that has answered in the question in detail.
Others FReepers pull out the lazy card by replying “look up what I wrote”, or just don’t respond.
Thanks for the reply.
Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO.
Ukraine has been accepted into the European Union rather than the now defunct Soviet Union.
Ukraine Iis NOT a full member of the EU.
The question in my mind is how Russians will pay reparations.
Dream on.
Chuckle.
You do realize that Putin has over 7k warheads at his disposal. Unlike the US, his ICMB missile launchers can be reloaded. It is estimated that both sides sans Europe, will launch over 2,000 warheads in the first exchange targeting both military and civilian targets. All cities over 500,000 will be obliterated. Those people the live within 20 miles of any city will die in the first minutes from the blast or radiation. 50% of the survivors outside the blast area will die from radiation poisoning.
It is estimated that 25% of the US 360 million will survive the attack. Those remaining will have to live through a nuclear winter where nothing is produced for a year. There will be no electricity, gas, power infrastructure, agriculture harvest, or industry. Up to 3/4 or more of the world will perish from both war, pestilence, and famine. The closest I can picture this is the series The World Without People.
There will be no more government of any kind since there will be no communications. DC and the eastern seaboard will be obliterated. You can count on our civilization returning to the Middle Ages where war lords ruled as they wished riding on horses packing small arms until the ammunition runs out. After that, warfare will return to hand held weapons, spears, and bow and arrows. Our trading overseas will return to sail for 20 years at least. The knowledge to rebuild will be left intact, but with an initial population of 90,000,000 or less, it will take decades to return to the Industrial Age.
The age of Darwinism will return, where only those who adapt will survive. The liberal idiocy of today wouldn’t stand a chance against the rugged individualism it will take to remake America.
Very relevant if you are comparing Java to Russia, which is the first country to go to space and send a man to space and has the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.
You refer to the Russian state that was part of the Soviet Union.
That state died of alcoholism.
Is that why Russia still has the largest and most potent nuclear arsenal on the planet?
“Putin vs Biden? What could go wrong?”
Apparently, for some here, NOTHING!
“Isolationist nationalism as in 1934 is still ruling doctrine in 2022 for some conservatives”
By YOUR definition, ISOLATION certainly ruled during the Cold War, when we didn’t make a move while Hungary and Czechoslovakia got wrung-out by the Soviets, nor did we even make a move to bring-in Finland or Austria, as NEITHER STATE was part of Soviet control.
Funny though, we (mostly) all lived through the Cold War to talk about it.
So do us a big favor and quit saying that shit.
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