Posted on 03/21/2022 1:53:25 PM PDT by Beave Meister
It has been true for years: Mile for mile, it’s cheaper — generally much cheaper — to recharge an electric vehicle than it is to refuel one with an internal-combustion engine.
That has been a key selling point for Tesla and other EV makers, particularly in times when gas prices have soared, such as now. But this time there’s a wrinkle: While gas prices have indeed soared in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, so have electricity prices — particularly in some parts of the U.S. that have been big markets for Tesla’s EVs.
That raises a question: Is it still true that it’s much cheaper to “refuel” an EV? The charts below, which show how much the cost to add 100 miles of range to the average EV or internal-combustion vehicle has changed in different markets over time, help us find the answer.
The first chart, using nationwide figures, provides a baseline. The others use data specific to Boston and San Francisco, two markets where EVs are popular — and where electricity tends to be more expensive than the national average.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...
The Model-T used ethanol, which was a fuel for lighting back then. Gasoline was mixed with the ethanol in the 1920’s but by the end of the war everything was gasoline.
Interesting History of gasoline here:
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-gasoline-1991845
On September 5, 1885, the first gasoline pump was manufactured by Sylvanus Bowser of Fort Wayne, Indiana and delivered to Jake Gumper, also of Fort Wayne. The gasoline pump tank had marble valves and wooden plungers and had a capacity of one barrel.
Actually I think that gas diesal price switch was due to some EPA deviltry in the early to mid 80’s
In California they are asking people to not charge their EVs because of a power shortage. Now multiply the number of EVs by 10 or 100 or more. There are hours long lines at the public charging stations now. So we buy a $60,000 car to save $60 at the pumps and then put another $15,000 or more for new batteries in 10 years.
I use about 350 gallons of gas per year. Even at $5 a gallon, it takes 10-20 years for the extra cost of an EV to catch up. Of course, that doesn’t consider the cost of installing a charging system and renting a gasoline powered vehicle for longer trips or paying a premium to use public charging stations plus all the other associated costs of travelling in an EV.But other than that, an EV would be a great investment. If it doesn't burst into flames.It also doesn’t consider the cost of new infrastructure to generate the electricity to charge thousands (millions?) of EVs. When demand goes up, the power companies are going to raise prices, not only increasing the cost of charging electric vehicles but all of the other power now used in the home.
Does anyone know if insurance cost cover an EV exploding battery and rates compared to real vehicles?
Edison persuaded Ford to make EV's. Here's a quote from Ford to the New York Times, in January of 1914:
"Within a year, I hope, we shall begin the manufacture of an electric automobile...We are satisfied now that the way is clear to success. The problem so far has been to build a storage battery of light weight which would operate for long distances without recharging. Mr. Edison has been experimenting with such a battery for some time."
Kinda seems like we've come full circle today.
I need to correct myself - too many dates to keep track of in my head. The first service station made its debut in 1907. Gas stations were around earlier - any business that sold gas back then, from general stores to blacksmiths, was a gas station.
Ethanol is easier to ignite, and some people ran it on that as well as other distillates which required some modification to the fuel system.
“The first service station made its debut in 1907.”
First Drive-In Service Station
Although Standard Oil will claim a Seattle, Washington, station of 1907, and others argue about one in St. Louis two years earlier, most agree that when “Good Gulf Gasoline” went on sale, Gulf Refining Company opened America’s first true drive-in service station.
The motoring milestone took place at the corner of Baum Boulevard and St. Clair Street in downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on December 1, 1913. Unlike earlier simple curbside gasoline filling stations, an architect purposefully designed the pagoda-style brick facility offered free air, water, crankcase service, and tire and tube installation.
https://aoghs.org/transportation/first-gas-pump-and-service-stations/
I’d like to know how the massive subsidies and tax credits affect these comparisons. Are these kinds of factors included in the pricing?
“TG, why do you keep spouting this nonsense?”
It is a fact! Of course to you facts are nonsense?
I post it because I keep seeing nonsense like the post I responded to and quoted below for reference.
““What happens when everybody has an EV, supposedly, and there isn’t enough electricity to supply these vehicles?”
“Green” Diesel to cut down on particulates and sulphur dioxide.
What about the per mile tax to replace the gas tax they are not talking about?
“Ford would have never made the Model T were gasoline not easily available. It was, and Ford capitalized on that, which then led to service stations as we know them today, which then led to more Model T’s being sold.”
Tesla would have never made the EV were electricity not easily available. It was, and Tesla capitalized on that, which then led to service stations with EV chargers, which then led to the Model S, 3 and X being sold.
With NIMBY neighbors, it may as well be.
Replacing the battery is outrageously expensive but keep in mind, for comparison purposes, it’s not just the gas tank. The cost of maintaining the engine itself needs to be factored in.
Still probably much cheaper than EV over a 200k lifetime, but sometimes you may blow a rod or what not. (I did once!)
Fast charging isnt free either.
“EV’s were popular early in automobile history. Why didn’t Ford make them? He knew then that the market would decide which to purchase unlike today when we have an out of control government hack telling us what we’re going to be driving.”
Since announcing the Mach-E and F-150 electric, the market has demanded that Ford double/triple their production quotas.
Thanks. Appreciate the links
The point of the debate is the availability of power for ICE and EV's at the time each made it's debut.
ICE automobiles exploded on the scene due to fuel being commonly available, Model T or not.
Modern EV's, especially Tesla, made their debut with very limited/regional charging stations. I honestly don't know where the closest charging station is. It's at least 10 miles away, but many gas stations are close by, none of which are supplemented by fedgov.
And regarding the market for the Blech-E faux Mustang - it's not a free market, but one tainted by fedgov. Wonder how many sales it would be if there were no subsidies by fedgov. Has fedgov subsidized ICE cars?
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