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"F it!" Russia's Final Break With the West
Fisted by Foucalt ^ | 2/23/2022 | Niccolo Soldo

Posted on 03/08/2022 12:26:43 PM PST by frithguild

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To: BipolarBob

Fair point. Austin and Milley are trying to destroy our armed forces from within.


21 posted on 03/08/2022 1:33:14 PM PST by Chainmail (Harassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: frithguild
NATO ABM sites

What, precisely, are these sited (that is, non-mobile, fixed installation; that's what "sites" means) ABM weapons that NATO has allegedly installed in Eastern Europe? What is the name of the weapons system, who builds it, etc.?

22 posted on 03/08/2022 1:36:29 PM PST by Campion (All we are saying is give peace a chance.)
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To: Campion
What, precisely, are these sited (that is, non-mobile, fixed installation; that's what "sites" means) ABM weapons that NATO has allegedly installed in Eastern Europe? What is the name of the weapons system, who builds it, etc.?

I suggest asking Niccolo Soldo what he means. I am not his grammarian or military advisor. The primary source supporting this statement would be statements attributable to the Kremlin. I am a fact checker either. All of this would be thread hijacking if I went for it. So maybe discuss a theme of the author and stop nitpicking

23 posted on 03/08/2022 1:59:08 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

“No propaganda there. No siree”

You realize there is propaganda on both sides of EVERY war, right?


24 posted on 03/08/2022 2:40:36 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: frithguild

“All of this would be thread hijacking if I went for it.”

Asking for elaboration of claims made in an article that YOU posted is not “thread hijacking”.


25 posted on 03/08/2022 2:44:21 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: frithguild
If the author is making factual claims that are false, there is no point in discussing his "themes".

"Statements attributable to the Kremlin" are worthless if they can't be backed up by facts demonstrable from other sources.

26 posted on 03/08/2022 2:55:05 PM PST by Campion (All we are saying is give peace a chance.)
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To: frithguild
Zelenskyy was the country's top actor, so just like just about anyone in Europe with money who fears taxes and political instability, he put some of it offshore. Duh.

The American political mafia would make the Ukrainians blush at their corruption.

27 posted on 03/08/2022 3:02:54 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: frithguild

So I did some research. They’re referring to the Aegis Ashore systems, one deployed and active in Rumania and one under construction in Poland. Their purpose is to defend Western Europe against missiles from Iran or another mideastern rogue state. A Russian attack would easily overwhelm them, so they would not have any utility in enabling a NATO first strike.


28 posted on 03/08/2022 3:19:03 PM PST by Campion (All we are saying is give peace a chance.)
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To: larrytown
ABM capabilities are not JUST ‘defensive’, but depending on their effectiveness, would negate the offensive capability of the opponent. This is an indirect enhancement of a protagonists offensive capability, as they have less risk from MAD.

If the side with effective ABM did not have ANY offensive weaponry, THEN your protestations [that a defensive missile system is not a potential threat] might have merit.

Thank you for the simple, factual explanation...

;>)

29 posted on 03/08/2022 3:28:55 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Boogieman

Of course - huge part of Russian actions, but everyone is acting like nothing has rubbed off on Ukranians. Khrushchev govern Ukraine beginning in 1938 for Pete’s sake. A television actor could have no skill in honing an attractive narrative. </sarc>


30 posted on 03/08/2022 3:38:49 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Boogieman

Picking fly sheet out of pepper on a tangential point is a fools errand. I pretty politely said I would not go and do that before. So by all means, go figure it out for yourself.


31 posted on 03/08/2022 3:42:08 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Campion

The only reason I referred to what would be primary sources is I was trying to keep focus upon elucidation of the Russian substantiation for their policy positions (Sometimes when somebody does something the actually tell you why). How a potty mouthed journo who grasps the big picture glosses over or fails to state a fact with absolute precision is inanity. But if you want to disregard the entire piece for that reason, just be sure you feel good about yourself.


32 posted on 03/08/2022 3:49:21 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Campion

Cool. Thanks for the info.


33 posted on 03/08/2022 3:51:07 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: pierrem15
The American political mafia would make the Ukrainians blush at their corruption.

Well that's the whole point of this piece isn't it? There is absolutely no self examination in the corporate media about American policy toward Ukraine ( who was getting $ beneft) and how it handcuffed Zelinsky into making horrifice policy choices. The Russian reaction was so predictable and entirely avoidable. The SJW crusaders at State acted, as snowflakes do, without any appreciation that making the world a better place can and does cause disaster.

But no - all Freepers want to do us parrot the propaganda Putin Bad.

34 posted on 03/08/2022 3:59:43 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild
Putin is bad, right? He has murdered his political enemies and is now responsible for the deaths of thousands in a war launched on the false pretext that Ukraine and NATO were threats and that Ukraine was controlled by Nazis.

That's all bull and you know it's bull, I know it's bull and I'm sure even many Russians know it's bull.

You don't have to think that a foreign enemy of our filthy regime is your friend. He's not.

There are even worse things than the corrupt clownshow illegitimately running our country, and Putin is one of them.

35 posted on 03/08/2022 6:46:14 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15
I'm not going to argue too hard with you about Russians being bad actors. I have rehtorically taken their side here at FR over the past few days because so many have bought in to false narratives, especially that the Ukranians are Lilly white.

It is not even arguable that paramilitary organizations that gained power in a 2014 coup and invited in to the Ukranian analog to the National Guard, have engaged in thousands upon thousands of violations of the Minsk Accords in the separatist areas, all involving use of prohibited firearms and explosive weapons. and which have been i, have been terrorizing people in the separatist territories. There is also copious facts in the form of statements by the paramilitary leaders advocating white supremacy and adopting the use of Nazi symbols. Don't trust me, do your own due diligence on that. Dismiss it all as Russian propaganda at yiur peril.

As far as the corrupt clown show leading our country, we are in substantial agreement. Yet you seem to miss that US policies, and the biggest clowns in the show with the biggest payoffs coming their way, led Ukraine to make some horrifically bad and patently provoking policy decisions. Frankly, this war should be a flaming tire around the necks of Nuland, Biden and their ilk. But it won't be. I can tell because the facts I am laying out here engender such negative responses from people like you.

Finally, if you really think Putin has a substantial influence on any substantial policies here, we disagree. That's Rachel Maddow type bizarre sheet.

36 posted on 03/08/2022 7:37:57 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

In the Museum of Really Dumb Replies, your #12 will stand on a pedestal near the front door.


37 posted on 03/08/2022 7:44:11 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

So explain please.


38 posted on 03/08/2022 7:47:57 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
"Tell me again how a DEFENSIVE missile system is a threat to Russia."

Just speculating here, but maybe the missiles are easier to take out sooner after launch(?) Also, one missile may/will carry multiple warheads, certainly it's a good idea to get them all together.

I can't imagine anything harder to hit than nuke warheads raining down on cities.

So, a defensive system may, reduce the "balance of power".

39 posted on 03/08/2022 9:04:09 PM PST by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: HighSierra5
Prosaically well said.
40 posted on 03/08/2022 9:19:16 PM PST by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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