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Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?

Posted on 02/24/2022 8:28:23 PM PST by navysealdad

2015 Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer Smart guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4


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To: caww

What carrot? Ukrainians are free to enter and work in Poland and Germany.

There is no carrot.

How can a crisis that began with Russian soldiers entering Ukraine and Russia annexing a portion of Ukrainian territory be responsibility of Ukraine?

Better yet, how did we get to a place when one must explain that Russian forces taking over portions of Ukraine isn’t the responsibility of Ukraine, but Russia?


21 posted on 02/24/2022 9:49:33 PM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: navysealdad
If you want insight, listen to this podcast recorded a week before the incursion:

Episode #279 with Michael Caputo (1 hr 13 mins)

22 posted on 02/24/2022 9:50:02 PM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: Cronos

You hear it every time Zelensky speaks....the carrot is Nato membership and they have not delivered for Ukraine.


23 posted on 02/24/2022 9:55:35 PM PST by caww ( )
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To: caww

The conditions for joining nato have always been clear. They haven’t joined NATO yet despite the majority of Ukrainians wanting to join NATO. Despite the narrative by groß trolls, no country has been strong armed to join NATO


24 posted on 02/24/2022 10:02:43 PM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: navysealdad
Why?


25 posted on 02/24/2022 10:09:46 PM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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To: Cronos

You’re missing the point....

However, no country can join Nato with Border conflicts....thus Ukraine cannot join Nato regardless how much they want to.


26 posted on 02/24/2022 10:15:29 PM PST by caww ( )
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To: McGruff

Read my post 22. Caputo talks about the cookies.


27 posted on 02/24/2022 10:25:34 PM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: Romulus

We expanded NATO because it was in our national interest to do so in order to keep a post-Soviet Russia from trying to reassemble their old empire. Unfortunately, the man now in charge of Russia dreams of doing just that. A peaceful, democratic Russia would have no objection to NATO on their border.


28 posted on 02/24/2022 11:43:16 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: navysealdad

The guy who imagines that Israel controls the Biden regime, sounds like a a Kremlin agent. Big surprise. Next up, he supports a nuclear Iran as restoring stability


29 posted on 02/25/2022 3:12:33 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: snork55
This is not Germany in the 1930’s and there are no heroes here.

The Russians and Ukrainians are a bunch of thugs who deserve each other. This is their fight not ours. For the love of God we have a wide open southern border and Biden doesn't give a rip about that. And in the next few months there's going to be a flood of Ukrainian refugees pouring in here.

30 posted on 02/25/2022 3:49:15 AM PST by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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31 posted on 02/25/2022 4:11:11 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rmlew

I can tell you and most people comment didn’t listen to the speaker.


32 posted on 02/25/2022 5:56:27 AM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: Rockingham

Because we’re the good guys, right? You crack me up. Listen; I’m gonna let you in on a secret. The West hates Christianity. HATES it. Russia is the world’s biggest lifeboat for Christian culture, and the best armed. That’s why it’s the designated punching bag. Stop living in the 1960s, will you?


33 posted on 02/25/2022 6:05:02 AM PST by Romulus
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To: navysealdad

Look, the deep state was installed in Ukraine when the Soviet Union fell. They were dealing with the CIA marketing former Soviet assets. A puppet government was installed backed by George Soros. Then oil became an additional factor. Putin said 15 years ago the globalist WILL NOT CONTROL THE OIL FLOW, PORTS, NOR PIPELINES IN UKRAINE OR SYRIA, he meant every word of it. Globalist do what they do though, ignore…

The ONLY reason the globalist didn’t succeed earlier is because Putin cock-blocked a puppet government in Syria.

I hope Putin kicks the fnck out of them, they deserve it.

Most folk don’t have a clue.

People are hypnotized by the media.


34 posted on 02/25/2022 11:11:14 AM PST by waterhill (Resist)
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To: waterhill

That sounds like Hitler’s rantings about Czechoslovakia, “Czechoslovakia was only created by the British and French to keep Germany in check, they don’t deserve to be a country.”


35 posted on 02/25/2022 11:15:35 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Sounds crazy doesn’t it???

The CIA started this sh!t. Fnck them.


36 posted on 02/25/2022 11:38:27 AM PST by waterhill (Resist)
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To: Tolk2112

Try 1991..

Not trying to urinate on your party


37 posted on 02/25/2022 12:20:33 PM PST by waterhill (Resist)
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To: Romulus

Over two thousand years, Christianity has had many reverses, yet it always returns, often the stronger. The current Leftist, anti-Christian trend in Western culture will not endure, while true Christian faith will.


38 posted on 02/25/2022 1:59:11 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Throughout history, God has used flawed and even sinful men to look after his Church. Constantine, Justinian, Charlemagne — and in our own time, Trump and Putin.


39 posted on 02/25/2022 2:25:55 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Quite so. As novelist William Gerhardie observed in God's Fifth Column, just when everyone sees things as certain to go a certain way, history often veers off in another direction entirely.
40 posted on 02/25/2022 2:47:04 PM PST by Rockingham
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