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Tesla Is Reviving Old School Battery Technology
Oil price ^ | Feb 23, 2022, | Alex Kimani

Posted on 02/24/2022 11:05:35 AM PST by george76

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To: TangoLimaSierra

Looking at some units on Amazon, it appears the LiFePO4 batteries still run about 3.5X the cost of SLA (in small quantities). Is that consistent with what you’ve found? My SLAs (Walmart!) do sometimes last ten years. A royal hassle to keep filled, tho.


21 posted on 02/24/2022 2:57:31 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: subterfuge

Thank you


22 posted on 02/24/2022 2:57:57 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: steve86

Actually mine aren’t sealed, obviously.


23 posted on 02/24/2022 2:58:45 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: bigbob

Edison advised Henry Ford to develop the ICE.


24 posted on 02/24/2022 4:18:42 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: steve86
Looking at some units on Amazon, it appears the LiFePO4 batteries still run about 3.5X the cost of SLA

I paid almost $1800 for 16 280AH LIFEPOs a few months ago. I would have to buy 2 more sets to match the L16 840AH flooded batteries I had. So about $5500 total compared to $5000 (2022 price)for my original ones. Then factor in longevity and cycling properties. And no watering. Also no outgassing.

25 posted on 02/24/2022 5:00:09 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: TexasGator
They charge VERY slowly and would increase the car weight by several thousand pounds.

Yes, that's why they are only good for local delivery and service trucks, submarines and stationary use.

26 posted on 02/24/2022 6:45:52 PM PST by Mogger
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“Yes, that’s why they are only good for local delivery and service trucks, submarines and stationary use.”

Job security for dudes refilling with distilled water.


27 posted on 02/24/2022 7:04:44 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Mogger

The disadvantages however outweigh the advantages.

Cost:

The initial cost is at least 30% over a high-end Lead Acid battery of comparable size (considering usable energy) and also still a lot dearer than Lithium-ion batteries.

Efficiency:

Nickel-Iron batteries have lower energy density and lower specific power compared to lead-acid batteries (or in layman’s terms are less efficient). The cells take a charge slowly, and give it up slowly (cannot supply sudden large power spikes). This means one would need more batteries and more solar panels to achieve the output of a ‘standard’ lead-acid based power system. In addition, Ni-Fe batteries have a significant self-discharge rate of 1% per day.

Ventilation:

They produce a lot of hydrogen, daily gassing is required to get the expected performance. Hydrogen gas is explosive, therefore good ventilation is imperative.

Compatibility:

The characteristics of Ni-Fe batteries are not supported by most solar equipment. The voltage window is so wide that standard inverters are likely to shut themselves down well before the battery is fully discharged. Hence claims like ‘100% usable capacity’ are exaggerated which will further add to cost, size and maintenance.

Size and weight:

The cell voltage is 1.2V, so you need 40 cells to form a 48V battery bank. Even smaller battery banks easily weigh a ton. This further adds to the cost for shipping, storage (battery box/room dimensions), installation and maintenance.

Maintenance:

Most batteries sold these days are classified ‘maintenance-free’. Wet cell Lead Acid batteries are still available and possibly even better than dry cell technology but RPC does not recommend them as time has shown that at some point maintenance will be neglected. While Ni-Fe batteries may withstand such treatments without damage, their performance will most certainly drop. Ni-Fe batteries should be checked and topped up weekly. Inspecting and filling 40 cells is time consuming and tedious. Furthermore, every so often the electrolyte solution has to be completely replaced - a messy and labour intensive exercise.

Conclusion
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Buy Batteries

While not as bad as Ni-Cd batteries, RPC strongly advises against Nickel Iron batteries for home solar systems. The initial cost is unlikely to pay off unless maintenance is conducted meticulously - for decades. If you need high quality deep cycle batteries, take a look at these Lead Acid or Lithium-ion batteries.

https://www.rpc.com.au/solar-news/disadvantages-of-nickel-iron-batteries.html


28 posted on 02/24/2022 7:48:37 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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