Posted on 02/23/2022 10:01:41 AM PST by ganeemead
We know that Ukraine exists as a money-laundering operation for the Biden family and the deep-state/cabal... But does it exist as a nation or anything like that??
One of the Best/Brightest category of my friends says that it doesn't:
Some Insight Into Ukraine; The Secretary-General of the United Nations has stated that Ukraine has not applied for border registration since 1991, so the state of Ukraine does not exist. And we don’t know about it!!! 04/07/2014 UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon made a stunning statement, the distribution of which in Ukrainian media and the Internet is banned. The conflict between the two countries was discussed at the session of the UN Security Council. From this, the following conclusion was drawn: Ukraine has not registered its borders since 12/25/1991. The UN has not registered the borders of Ukraine as a sovereign state.Therefore, it can be assumed that Russia is not committing any rights violations in relation to Ukraine.According to the CIS Treaty, the territory of Ukraine is an administrative district of the USSR. Therefore, no one can be blamed for separatism and forcibly changing the borders of Ukraine. Under international law, the country simply has no officially recognized borders. In order to solve this problem, Ukraine needs to complete the demarcation of borders with neighboring countries and obtain the agreement of neighboring countries, including Russia, on their common border. It is required to document everything and sign treaties with all neighboring states.
The European Union has pledged its support to Ukraine on this important issue and has decided to provide all technical assistance. But will Russia sign a border treaty with Ukraine? No of course not. Since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR (this is confirmed by the decisions of international courts on property disputes between the former USSR and foreign countries), the lands on which Ukraine, Belarus and Novorossiya are located belong to Russia, and nobody has the right to to dispose of this area without Russia's consent. Basically, now all Russia has to do is declare that this area is Russian and that everything that happens in this area is an internal matter of Russia. Any interference will be seen as a measure against Russia. On this basis, they can annul the elections of May 25, 2014 and do what the people want! According to the Budapest Memorandum and other agreements, Ukraine has no borders. The state of Ukraine does not exist (and has never existed!).
Our wretched "leaders" have to be aware of this. Trying to imagine the chutzpah it must take for them to holler and cry the way they do about the evil Vladimir Putin wanting to protect ethnic Russians from the machinations of the neo-nazis that Soros, Obama, and Nuland put in charge of Kiev eight years ago.
Actually, an argument equally valid to “Russia owns Ukraine” could be made that “Ukraine owns Russia”.
If the Native Hawaiians were smart, they’d stop voting Democrat and instead vote Republican or start a Hawaiian Sovereignty party. It’s the Hawaii Democrat party (that is controlled by an alliance of ethnic Japanese and liberal California haoles) that has turned the islands into a democrat hellhole and made life unbearable, especially for the Hawaiians.
It’s crazy that so many locals there are pro-gun, anti-government, anti-LBGQXYZ, anti-tax, yet dutifully vote democrat because “the repubicans are the party of the haoles.”
It pretty much always boils down to political expediency.
Why would Russia open an embassy in a nation that did not exist?
This is ludicrous. The US and our allies have long recognized Ukraine as an independent nation. Indeed, the USSR itself demanded and got a seat for Ukraine when the UN was created.
When the United States government allowed the "Autonomous Zones" in Portland and Seattle to stand, they relinquished any authority over any foreign or domestic entities.
When the United States government allows the "Sanctuary Cities" to openly aid and abet foreign invaders, they relinquish any authority over any foreign or domestic entities.
No worries, it will soon.
I worry that when I correct misinformation, I might be perceived as validating Putin’s misadventures. (Crimea was a unique situation.) But this seems balls-to-the-wall insane:
“According to the CIS Treaty, the territory of Ukraine is an administrative district of the USSR.”
Also, this is absurd, since when do bureaucrats at the United Nations have any say in what is or isn’t a nation?: “The Secretary-General of the United Nations has stated that Ukraine has not applied for border registration since 1991, so the state of Ukraine does not exist. And we don’t know about it!!! 04/07/2014 UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon made a stunning statement, the distribution of which in Ukrainian media and the Internet is banned. The conflict between the two countries was discussed at the session of the UN Security Council. From this, the following conclusion was drawn: Ukraine has not registered its borders since 12/25/1991. The UN has not registered the borders of Ukraine as a sovereign state.Therefore, it can be assumed that Russia is not committing any rights violations in relation to Ukraine.”
Further, this claim alleges that the Soviet Union still has dominion over ALL former territories, regardless of any treaty or agreement which recognizes their secession: “Since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, the lands on which Ukraine, Belarus and Novorossiya are located belong to Russia, and nobody has the right to to dispose of this area without Russia’s consent.” No, Russia does not own Ukraine.
Finally, it’s a tell that you’re being fed this information, since you refer BOTH to Ukraine and Novorossiya; how could anyone be citing treaties without realizing that Novorussiya is a Russian term for (the) Ukraine?
The 1975 Helsinki Accords finalized the recognition of Post WWII borders, the problem is that it didn’t take into account what the borders would be with the breakup of the Soviet Union.
Why should any country listen to the UN?
You are correct.
Kiev was taken by the Vikings and established as the Kyevan Rus..Rus is supposed to be a name given by the Finnish meaning, I think, Swede..or something like that.
As you said, the whole dam area has been one big turmoil for centuries. The Mongols ruled nearly the whole place during the 13th century. All except Novgorod where they managed to hold them off by payoffs.
The Moscovi did not even exist until way later-about the 11 century or so.
So if anything, Russia as it is now, belongs to the Kiev Rus, as that is how Russia got its name.
Ukraine, is made up of many ethnic groups. One being the scythians.
The Crimea was part of the Ottoman Empire until about when Peter the Great of Russia, and before that ruled by the Khans.
The Crimea area is Cossack, as is about the area where Putin has declared his. Two different ethnic Cossack though.
-PJ
“If you have no borders, you have no nation...”
Sovereignty depends upon whether or not you can enforce your country’s borders.
For example:. The U.S. Mexico border.
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How long has it been on the map of Risk?
“What is the basis for a people deserving their own nation. Is it by fighting for it...”
Having to fight for it has nothing to do with deserving it.
“.. as we did in 1776, or by treaty, as was the case after WWI with the countries that comprised the Austo-Hungarian Empire?”
Case in point. We had to fight for it because others were aggressors and would not accept the country that the people deserved and declared.
Ukraine was established as a country and agreed on by Russia as well as the international community.
Putin has no business claiming an established nation or any part of it.
He can make his case, but any force taken to establish his illegitimate claims is barbarism.
The issue may be internal to Ukraine in that certain regions may want to not be part of Ukraine.
Who knows with these lunatics.
LOL Kinda the whole schtick in a nutshell.
Since when is the U.N. the final arbiter of a country’s borders, or whether or not it exists at all?
Exactly. Not sure why some self-professed conservatives seem to have become pro-Russia.
It wasn’t until 1975, 30 years after WWII that the post WWII borders were finally ratified at the Helsinki Conference.
Perhaps now there should be a similar conference to handle the former Soviet Republics.
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