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To: mdmathis6
...The Bible doesn’t actually call them “angels” per se.


Genesis 19 King James Version

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

106 posted on 02/12/2022 5:50:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

This is where I find it interesting....! Chapter 18 calls them “men “...save for the third “man” which in KJV, is referred to in the chapter as “The Lord!”

Verse 1 and verse 15 in Chapter 19 calls them angels but in the rest of the chapter, verses16, 12, and 16...they are referred to as “men”.

Thus my statement..” We assume they were angels but perhaps they were angels of limited knowledge and function. The Bible doesn’t actually call them “angels” per se.”
I had noted the use of the english term “men” in addition to the use of the terms “angels” so my statement should have been better crafted to have read...”Genesis 19 refers to them both as angels and as men” As to why the Hebrew that Moses recorded the story in was thus translated by scholars the way it was in KJV points to things in the spiritual dimensions being quite different than we could ever imagine.

Now better scholars might be able to explain the language peculiarities of the interchanging of the terms “men and angels” in chapter 19...perhaps some type of difference in the way 17th century English is used vs the way we understand English in the 21st.. I can consult a “Strongs” I guess to look at the way both terms are treated in the hebrew to English translations. My own view is to think of them as agents of God sent to do a mission, something more than men however, even angels in an elevated sense. We received the initial story as Moses received it and recorded it, from the Tribal narratives and from the inspiration of God as it moved upon him. Moses knew about angels of course, his writings in the first 5 books mention them multiple times. Why chapter 19 mentions the “agents” in question, “interchangeably” as “men” and “angels” might just come down to styles of language and translation that shouldn’t diminish the status of the “men” as being anything but heavenly beings of some status. If so, I will endure the public boxing and unstopping of my spiritual ears.

As for your other postings and Bible passages to me about the evils of homosexuality and the sins of Sodom....I have no disagreement with. It’s a message better sent to half of the people in our US legislative branches iof the house and the senate!


108 posted on 02/12/2022 11:57:20 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Democrat Biden...we are sore...we don't want no Ukraine war!)
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