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Greek Soccer aged 21 dies after suffering cardiac arrest on the pitch at a stadium where there was no defibrillator
Mail Online UK ^ | 02/03/2022 | Charlie Walker

Posted on 02/03/2022 10:21:59 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski

A Greek footballer has died after suffering a cardiac arrest on the pitch during a game where there was no defibrillator or ambulance at the stadium.

The player, aged 21, was playing for a Greek third tier team, Ilioupoli, when tragedy struck five minutes into the game.

Alexandros Lampis collapsed at the First Municipal Stadium during a match on Wednesday.

The stadium is within a south-eastern suburb of the Greek capital Athens, but the ambulance did not arrive for 20 minutes, The Sun reports, and there was no way to resuscitate the stricken player at the ground.

The incident comes after the world watched in horror only eight months ago when Christian Eriksen collapsed suffering from a sudden cardiac arrest, while playing for Denmark at Euro 2020.

In that incident, Denmark’s team doctor, Morten Boesen, confirmed that the 29-year-old had gone into cardiac arrest on the pitch and was brought back through a combination of CPR and an electric shock from a defibrillator.

Eriksen's life was saved and he is now set to make a remarkable return to top-flight football with Brentford.

The Danish midfielder has been allowed to return to professional football after a defibrillator was implanted into his body, which helps to regulate his heart rate...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Travel
KEYWORDS: covid19; death; heart; suddenly; vaccines
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To: semimojo
In my opinion, if the reports are accurate, then they seem to be a sort of confirmation of earlier warnings coming true.

In other words, this is something we are now becoming aware of and the timing of these events is to be expected.

If the limited information available about the potential adverse vaxx reactions is true, then one would expect to see an unusual increase in these events showing up about now.

Moreover, given human nature, one would also expect to see such events minimized and underreported in some places, given how the vaxx is still being pushed hard and vaxx mandates are still very much a threat to all of us.

So, now I’m waiting to see what the new incoming test data will have to say about this mass experiment next.

I really don’t know what the vaxx really is or what it really does to us, yet.

It’s just me and my theories and opinions from reading and then observing the show so far.

21 posted on 02/03/2022 11:21:43 AM PST by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I don’t remember any other time in my life when athletes were dropping like flies. Gee. What could possibly have caused this?


22 posted on 02/03/2022 11:24:00 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Jan_Sobieski

First question — when was he vaccinated?


23 posted on 02/03/2022 12:39:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Everyone knows that a defibrillator is a magical heart attack undo machine. How dare they play soccer without one?!?


24 posted on 02/03/2022 12:48:07 PM PST by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I will fix the title:

Vaxed Greek Soccer aged 21 dies after suffering cardiac arrest on the pitch at a stadium where there was no defibrillator


25 posted on 02/03/2022 12:58:52 PM PST by Revel
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To: semimojo
I haven't seen any credible evidence that it's more common now than before, either.

What would be the bar to calling something "credible evidence?"

Here is an article from January 22, 2022, Investigation finds 300% increase in Worldwide Heart Attack Deaths among Soccer Players in 2021.

Doing a text search of the thread, I don't see your screen name in the comments, so I don't know if you saw that article or not.

I'm curious about your take on it.

-PJ

26 posted on 02/03/2022 1:17:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Renfrew

I don’t think this discussion is relating to teenagers — they haven’t been able to receive the vaccine for very long. Also, how many teenagers have been vaccinated?


27 posted on 02/03/2022 3:10:00 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: BDParrish

Quality CPR and prompt defibrillation are what’s proven to increase positive outcomes in patients experiencing cardiac arrest. So if you want to “undo” a “heart attack,” that’s what you need.

If you really want to undo an actual “heart attack,” take an aspirin and place a stent.


28 posted on 02/03/2022 3:13:31 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I'm curious about your take on it.

I've seen that article posted before.

Here's the basis of their headline claim of an increase in heart attacks in 2021: List of association footballers who died while playing.

It's a Wikipedia page where random people can add someone to the list, usually based on some news report they read.

Now the most obvious problem with this is we have no idea what percentage of events were recorded in each year. Was the community updating this Wiki as active in 2020 as in 2021 or did this vaccine controversy cause a much higher percentage of reported deaths to be put on this Wikipedia list?

We have a good clue from FIFA. After all, these are all supposedly deaths from FIFA association clubs.

“FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.

“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”

So we have an entire article based on absolutely unreliable data - in fact, the Wikipedia page in question explicitly states that it's an incomplete list of deaths - while the organization where all of these deaths occurred says there's nothing unusual happening.

My take is it's exceptionally shoddy work but par for the course for the Daily Expose.

What's your take on it?

29 posted on 02/03/2022 3:19:28 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
My take, and I didn't research it as deeply as you did (which is why I asked you), is that it seems indicative of an all-cause mortality rate.

I didn't suggest that it was vaccine-related, although the article goes on to discuss COVID-19. I am aware of the concerns that the vaccine+boosters boosts the immune system against a virus that is outdated, and that it might cause the immune system to relax against other threats while it hyper-focuses on something it's not going to find. I think this is the basis for the look into all-cause deaths.

The problem that I have with stories like this is that, firstly, it takes an observation of an abnormal condition (the sudden spike in all-cause deaths) to signal the need to investigate further. Secondly, there has to be the investigation to confirm the observation. And thirdly, there has to be controlled experiments to identify the root causes. The pattern that I've observed is the willful ignorance of the "experts" to refuse to look into areas where they don't want to find any conclusions.

This lack of urgency, to me, was defined by the refusal to conduct autopsies on people who died within a few weeks of being vaccinated. I remember seeing a video of a doctor parent chastising a school board over vaccine mandates for children, offering his services to the board to help them understand the medical literature. His quote to them was something like "They will never find what they refuse to look for."

I think that the current environment of conflicting evidence, evidence-free (or evidence-questionable) articles, or lack of evidence at all, going on two years now, is a result of the lack of desire by invested interests to investigate anything that had a risk of controverting the established narrative.

The continued fight over whether to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, over the dangers of COVID-19 to various age groupings, over natural immunities, over mask and social-distancing effectiveness, etc., proliferates because the base data that all sides use to defend their positions is not evolving commensurately with the anecdotal observations that usually are the triggers to look deeper. So we have these independent agencies looking at whatever data they can find, while the "trusted" sources (CDC, NIH, WHO, FDA, etc.) remain silent on providing fresh studies based on recent global changes, or only seem to release a study when unfavorable news requires a counter-narrative.

-PJ

30 posted on 02/03/2022 3:50:24 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too
The problem that I have with stories like this is that, firstly, it takes an observation of an abnormal condition (the sudden spike in all-cause deaths)...

Do we know there's a spike beyond the additional deaths attributable to Covid?

31 posted on 02/03/2022 4:38:46 PM PST by semimojo
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To: Renfrew

2021:

350 unusual health events among athletes total (so far, at least the ones who made the news) for 2021 (from age 16-53). 235 of these events occurred in athletes 35 and younger. 146 aged 25 and under, and 93 were aged 20 and under.

175 collapses during practice, training, game, or immediately after
165 heart related events (106 heart attacks, 11 myocarditis, 7 pericarditis, 5 arrhythmia)
Other events: 13 clots, 9 strokes, 4 seizures
192 total deaths

129 unusual Soccer events including: - 88 collapses during game or training - 80 are under the age of 25 - 71 mention heart issues (45 cardiac arrest, 3 arrhythmia, 5 myocarditis/pericarditis) - 62 deaths (39 deaths age 30 and under)

30 unusual Football health events including: - 21 younger than 20 - 22 deaths - 16 collapses happened during games or training - 7 cardiac-related, 3 seizure-related

25 unusual Running/track related events: - 17 deaths - 13 cardiac events - 17 happened during training or in races/meets

The list, with sources:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3988541/posts?page=357#357


32 posted on 02/03/2022 4:46:41 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: GingisK

What is more amazing to me is the efforts to normalize it, like it happens all the time. It has happened, but it has never been commonplace.


33 posted on 02/03/2022 4:50:02 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: semimojo
That's all you chose to take from what I posted?

I tried to have a conversation with you after you gave me a reasoned response to my post.

And you return the favor with this?

I don't mind a rhetorical question as a debate technique, but I expect it to be backed up with your own explanations as to why you asked the question and your own rebuttal. This is, after all, an asynchronous forum for discussion.

I will not participate in a onesy-twosy sham of a discussion. If you want to engage further, respond in kind with your objections and your reasons why, and your agreements and your reasons why.

-PJ

34 posted on 02/03/2022 7:54:17 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too
And you return the favor with this?

No disrespect but this started when I said I hadn't seen credible evidence of an increase in soccer cardiac deaths.

Your post was about hesitancy or unwillingness to investigate anomalous findings, but I'm still not convinced there really are such findings.

You seem to take It as a given that there's been a spike in all cause mortality that needs to be investigated. I haven't seen that spike beyond the additional Covid deaths.

My question wasn't rhetorical.

35 posted on 02/03/2022 8:29:04 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
My post began with the question of what was the bar towards credible evidence.

I then laid out a path from anecdotal evidence to clinical trial.

I then asked why we're still at the point of anecdotal evidence two years later, and why that seems to be root cause of continued bifurcation of the debate.

You say "I'm still not convinced there really are such [anomalous] findings."

I would add the deaths of school-age children (teen-age boys), the deaths of college athletes, and yes, the deaths of recently vaccinated people to the list of [anomalous] findings.

I will put words into your mouth, since you won't.

We don't know that the heart-related deaths of teens is anomalous; we don't know that the deaths of pop-culture people is anomalous; we don't know that the deaths of top-form athletes is anomalous. But we won't look deeper to find out for sure because we're not convinced there really are such findings [we want the ambiguity for denial].

You don't seem to support the quest for more information, because you don't seem to see any smoke to suggest that we should be looking for a fire.

-PJ

36 posted on 02/03/2022 8:45:31 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

I think that poster is a liberal troll.


37 posted on 02/04/2022 7:27:50 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Political Junkie Too
My post began with the question of what was the bar towards credible evidence.

I'm not sure there's one bar but there a a few things I look for.

Most important is transparency, meaning the underlying data is available for others to verify, and that there's thoughtful rigor involved in compiling it.

It's also important that the people presenting the information have some accountability. That is, there's some consequence if they're wrong, and severe consequences if it's intentional.

I also weigh whether I think the source is operating in good faith or just trying to spin data to support a narrative.

All of these tend to make me lean toward more established, official sources where career professionals, knowledgeable in their field and with their careers at stake provide the information.

I would add the deaths of school-age children (teen-age boys), the deaths of college athletes, and yes, the deaths of recently vaccinated people to the list of [anomalous] findings.

Based on what? I keep asking for any evidence the number of these events is unusually high.

But we won't look deeper to find out for sure because we're not convinced there really are such findings [we want the ambiguity for denial].

Sorry, that's not the way it works. The one making the extraordinary claim has the burden of evidence.

You can't just throw out some unsupported notion and expect people to go spend resources seeing if the notion has any merit. And the part about ambiguity for denial is paranoid conspiracy theory material.

You don't seem to support the quest for more information, because you don't seem to see any smoke to suggest that we should be looking for a fire.

No, people are telling me there's a raging fire but when I ask for even a little smoke they come up empty.

You want me to dispatch the trucks for nothing?

38 posted on 02/04/2022 2:32:52 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
First, I meant to thank you in the last post for the conversation. Let me do that now.

Most important is transparency, meaning the underlying data is available for others to verify, and that there's thoughtful rigor involved in compiling it... All of these tend to make me lean toward more established, official sources where career professionals, knowledgeable in their field and with their careers at stake provide the information.

So, based on your above criteria, should I assume that after the FDA wanted 75 years to release Pfizer safety data (which a federal judge rejected), and then scrubbed the document explaining the approval of the Moderna drug after questions were raised about references to unpublished safety data, that this negatively affects your opinion of the FDA as a credible source of information?

Based on what? I keep asking for any evidence the number of these events is unusually high.

Me, too. I ask why nobody is organizing a study to gather the evidence. We have observational data, which, apparently, I give more weight to than do you (which is your prerogative).

The one making the extraordinary claim has the burden of evidence.

I separate "claim" from "observation." If I see smoke, I call the fire department. I don't wait to see flames. I let the fire department come and find the flames.

The same thing is with observations. If I see something, I say something and then let the experts investigate it further. I'm not the investigator, but that shouldn't keep me (or anyone else, like the authors who compiled sports data) from making an observation and asking for it to be investigated.

You can't just throw out some unsupported notion and expect people to go spend resources seeing if the notion has any merit.

There is a difference between "unsupported notions" and suspicions based on recorded observations. Look at the incidents of teen-age boys getting myocarditis and pericarditis. It started out as a few hospitals noticing an increase in cases, local newspapers picked up the stories (Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego), and then the usual comments that it was either a normal amount or they had unknown health issues, until finally the CDC took it seriously enough to call an emergency meeting over it, and then studies followed.

So yes, I can expect people to go spend resources seeing if the notion has any merit.

And the part about ambiguity for denial is paranoid conspiracy theory material.

It remember the doctor at the school board meeting who asked rhetorically why, after more than eight months, there were no autopsies being done on people who died suddenly within two weeks of receiving the vaccine? He said "You will never find that which you refuse to look for." (Dr. Dan Stock, Mt. Vernon, Indiana school board meeting)

I found this interesting December 15 2021 paper at "National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI)" Autopsy Findings and Causality Relationship between Death and COVID-19 Vaccination: A Systematic Review (emphasis mine):


4. Discussion

[snip]

It is interesting to note that the criteria for the diagnosis of vaccine-induced death have been adopted only by Pomara et al. [26,27]: the authors adopted the proposed WHO algorithm to establish direct causality, confirming a direct link between vaccine administration and fatal adverse effects. As recently remarked by Mungmunpuntipamtip and Wiwanitkit [40], the criteria to establish a direct link between vaccination and fatal adverse effects should be standardized by the international community; in this way, the post-mortem investigation represents an essential tool to confirm all the data obtained during hospitalization.

The post-mortem investigation remains the gold standard to define the exact cause of death and the related pathophysiological processes [41,42]. The COVID-19 vaccine campaign began in about December 2020, and, at the same time, monitoring of death associated with adverse effects started in all countries. Although different fatal events have been reported occurring at the same time as COVID-19 vaccine administration, only a few papers have been published describing the post-mortem findings (38 cases: 22 patients were vaccinated with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, 10 cases with BNT162b2, 4 cases with mRNA-1273, and 2 cases with Ad26.COV2.S Janssen), as summarized in Table 1. Based on these data, autopsy is very useful to define the main characteristics of the so-called VITT after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination...[p] [snip]

Although post-mortem investigations were reported in only a few cases, it is reasonable to assume that the potential causality between death and COVID-19 vaccination had been studied in a large number of post-mortem investigations for different reasons that had not been published: the fact that only 17 papers with post-mortem investigations were published does not mean that post-mortem investigations in deaths after vaccination were not performed.

[PJ's editorial comment: I think the authors are making a BIG assumption here, not supported by facts. I think it's their "wish" that more autopsies were done and simply not reported, but they provide no evidence that this was the case.]

[snip]

5. Key Recommendations

All pathologists should publish autopsy reports in peer-reviewed journals or alternatively, deposit these reports in national/international databases maintained by pathologist societies; in this way, it will be possible to examine the causality relationship worldwide, analyzing other vaccines;


The gist of this paper is that there are scant few reported autopsies from millions of worldwide deaths attributed to COVID-19 or related deaths. We can debate the reasons why this is the case. Just as how the CDC announced that they were no longer tracking breakthrough COVID-19 cases, or that Pfizer prematurely ended the blind study by outing the control group, there are questionable actions by important players to suggest a desire to make it harder to investigate problems.

-PJ

39 posted on 02/04/2022 5:37:43 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Deo volente

“None of these reports are available on mainstream American media. We have to go to the UK to learn the truth of the matter”

Because a counterfeit holds our Office


40 posted on 02/04/2022 5:42:39 PM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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