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1 posted on 01/23/2022 5:21:38 AM PST by MtnClimber
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This article presumes that the leftist plan is to make green energy work. However I believe the green energy plan is designed to fail in order to collapse our system. Then the lef will say “Well we tried to make the free market system work, but it looks like we need to rebuild our society based on government central planning and rationing.


2 posted on 01/23/2022 5:22:30 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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There is no such a thing as a fossil fuel


4 posted on 01/23/2022 5:37:34 AM PST by joe fonebone (bush league chamber of commerce worshiping republiCAN'Ts are the enemy)
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The storage solution? Turn every home into a massive Leyden jar.

https://leyden-jar.com/


5 posted on 01/23/2022 5:39:01 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_qhttps://uintessentia_1.html))
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7.81 cents per kw-hr RE

I do not know where this guy lives.
For me, I pay bout 17.81 per kwhr
FF is by far the economical choice


6 posted on 01/23/2022 5:41:21 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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There was one clown here recently that didn’t bother to do the math and figured that we could use pumped storage for storing the amount of energy required.

I did the math, and we’d have to be willing to empty the Great Lakes to get the energy required to get through the worst-case scenarios.

...and then what gets done with all that water? If you send it down the Mississippi, and ignoring the flooding that would occur, you no longer have great lakes, so you have to start trying to refill them with rain and runoff. Not very smart and would likely take years. If you do what’s done by TVA, where they do have pumped storage, you need multiple lakes to move water back and forth...which is the case there. But where we do put a second set of Great Lakes - they’re pretty damn big as it is!

And no, I won’t talk about the hundreds of Hoover Dams required to power things at night or pump up the water during the day...


7 posted on 01/23/2022 5:46:20 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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Peaches come get your peaches off the tree I planted in my yard only cost you 49¢ per pound, go to the evil polluting non green grocery store and it’ll cost you a buck49. What a deal and you are being green¿
Wake up America!
The cheap? renewable energy is just like the fresh peach.
When you have it it’s great but when don’t….
Until the greenies can sunshine or bottle wind I’ll take my electric power straight free market capitalism style delivered on demand without government interference.
We The People decide. Vote 2022.


8 posted on 01/23/2022 5:48:12 AM PST by Recompennation (Don’t blame me my vote didn’t count…)
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“Ambri’s battery is 100% recyclable”

I was digging a bit into that too. Gets rather interesting as it presently cost FAR MORE to recycle and build a new battery, than to strip mine the raw materials and build a new battery.

So be careful with the word ‘recyclable’. The batteries have to be FULLY REBUILT to get back to a new state...it’s not just a matter of zapping them or something to get their life back. If there isn’t a cost effective way to ‘recycle’ a battery, they won’t be ‘recycled’ without coercion and huge added costs to society.


10 posted on 01/23/2022 5:52:34 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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My daughter & Son in law are building their retirement home in KFC* along with a casita for my wife & I in our dotage. The plan was complete solar until I argued for a backup, even in the Sonoran Desert, especially since there is no “grid” in KFC*. So now we are adding Propane and a couple of large generators.

I am also gonna try a couple of homemade windmill generators.

*KFC: Has nothing to do with chickens.


12 posted on 01/23/2022 5:58:02 AM PST by Tupelo
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Green Energy needs 3 hours of battery storage to cover the start up time for backup generators. When the wind goes calm or clouds move in you need to to run your generator. Since it takes 3 hours to start, it has to run all the time without 3 hours of battery backup.


13 posted on 01/23/2022 6:06:15 AM PST by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind blows too much)
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Being someone that has lived off-grid (solar), I cam tell you storage is and always has been the issue. Ignoring any environmental issues with the manufacturing of solar, storage alone is the dirtiest aspect of renewables. For accessible area applications there are now kinetic batteries that store energy in a spinning weight. These are not able to be scaled up due to material properties and basic physics. Funny thing is, the ideal storage medium for renewable energy appears to be the hydrocarbon. Of course, dirty evil carbon... therefore that cannot even be considered. So we rape the world and mine lithium instead.


14 posted on 01/23/2022 6:11:36 AM PST by D Rider ( )
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Communists don’t care about solutions, they only care about destruction.


16 posted on 01/23/2022 6:26:43 AM PST by bray (The Vax is fake)
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The handle “renewables” is questionable. Oil is in many respects renewable. Known reserves are always increasing and it constantly seeps up from ocean depths. Wind and solar, with maintenance and recycling challenges, seem to many of us to be not renewable at all but rather creating more challenges with more use.


21 posted on 01/23/2022 7:48:31 AM PST by jimfree (My 19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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Giant balloons to store the unicorn farts.


24 posted on 01/23/2022 8:59:01 AM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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https://www.rechargenews.com/transition/gwh-scale-liquid-air-battery-offers-storage-at-half-cost-of-lithium/2-1-629164

The above tech also makes air district cooling cogen cheap you can suck the heat out of near by buildings to warm the liquid air up.

https://www.rechargenews.com/transition/hot-rock-24-7-offshore-wind-cheaper-than-coal-within-five-years/2-1-642636

$19 a MWh using literally dirt cheap rocks as storage.

MIT is going the other way use the most abundant element on the earth’s crust to store heat.

https://www.solarpaces.org/mit-proposes-pv-to-discharge-energy-from-2400c-silicon-thermal-storage/

Even nukes know that storage is the future.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nuclear-energy-storage-advanced-reactor-developers-trying-to-expand-nuclea/573570/

https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/storing-heat-nuclear-power-plants-could-improve

https://www.powermag.com/why-thermal-energy-storage-offers-hot-prospects-for-power/

It’s not if it’s when solar and wind are the dominate energy sources. Regardless of carbon in the air there simply is not enough fossil fuels for a population of 8 billion living at middle class standards of living and energy consumption. China added 500 MILLION to the middle class ,India is on track to add the same number, Africa and South America have large and growing middle classes. Humans need to move to solar and wind as fast as possible or the energy wars that are coming will be global. 4 billion in the middle class depletes conventional oil in 20 years or less add in heavy oil and tarsands only get you another 20. That’s only half the current world at a European Middle class energy consumption rate if they move up to American rates it goes faster. The other 4 billion also want and will fight to move up in energy consumption as well. Solar is the cheapest form of or primary power humans have EVER come up the IEA has the data proving this hundreds of pages of it Google it it will be the first result. Solar is also the only form of power distributed all over the planet that in a single hour of day light is more than a million times the yearly consumption of all humans on earth. The issue has never been supply it’s storage and transport to the not sunny areas. Less than 5% of the Sahara could power all of humanity’s energy usage at middle class levels all 8 billion of us not just the USA and EU. Again Google scholar has dozens of peer reviewed data sets to back those numbers take the time to read them.


28 posted on 01/23/2022 9:53:04 AM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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Tesla and Freyr are both building giant battery farms. Probably others as well.


30 posted on 01/23/2022 10:02:12 AM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack )
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