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To: ransomnote
In fact, we appear to have been gifted a best-case scenario, in which a highly contagious virus will rip through the population, causing only mild cold symptoms, thus producing herd immunity without the risk of mass casualties.

I don't understand this part. I hear it often, but isn't this like a cold virus? Don't cold viruses continue to mutate, and we continue to get colds? Won't this CoVid virus continue to mutate into some other variation - not covered by our immune system? Hopefully just a mild variation, but maybe sometimes worse.
I don't understand the herd immunity argument unless the virus were to stay static without any subsequent mutations.

5 posted on 01/18/2022 8:59:29 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

As I understand, it’s not in the interest of specific viruses to become more potent as they mutate - there’s no value for the organism in killing its hosts.

This will eventually become just like a seasonal ‘flu. And we’ll learn to live with it.


7 posted on 01/18/2022 9:04:24 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: El Cid

A researcher tested recovered SARS patients who became ill and recovered in 2003 with SARS (COV1) again in 2021. They were still immune, after 17 or so years.

The same researcher tested those same recovered SARS patients with COV2 (Covid). They were immune to it because the viruses were not different enough, still recognizable to the immune system.

We don’t have to have exact matches to get major (complete) or partial immunity. Most of us already had related coronaviruses so we had some or complete immunity from Covid.

The CDC lied and said COvid was 100% new, and that none of us had protective prior exposure (they classified it as “novel”) in order to enact their lockdown, economic destruction plans.

Basically we’ve been lied to on a number of issues - for example, I doubt we ever needed annual flu ‘vaccines’.

So they create the impression that one illness from a coronavirus won’t impact another (immunity) which is not true.

So the theory is that Omnicron will safely trigger and train an immune response in those who have no prior exposure to Covid (not a large percentage anymore) and then the herd will have predictable immunity, with only the immune compromised in need of careful treatment/attention.


8 posted on 01/18/2022 9:08:10 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: El Cid

I think it takes significant mutation before the immune system does not recognize a virus it has previously encountered and defeated.

I would research it for yourself, but I think it’s a REALLY significant mutation.

It irritates me that I can’t count on our scientists and doctors to tell me the truth anymore and I have to delve into their profession to try and divine the truth.


11 posted on 01/18/2022 9:16:06 PM PST by Sarcazmo
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To: El Cid

Let me try to explain it as best as I understand it. Viruses, when they first infect human populations are their most deadly, because they are the most foreign to the human body. However, over the years, it trades genetic information with the tendency to become a mild irritant as it is able to accommodate itself within the human population, because the sweet spot is the ability to infect everybody, but kill nobody. Dead hosts are not useful if you’re a contagious
virus.

An example would be the Spanish Flu. When it first infected people, 100-150 million people died. Hwever, it’s variants today only kill 60-80,000 people/year and it is slowly continuing to become milder.

5 million people, supposedly, died from covid. Omicron is so relatively mild that everybody is going to get this but it has mutated to the point of not being that harmful. It is quite likely that it would continue to mutate so that it becomes even less harmful in the future.


12 posted on 01/18/2022 9:24:54 PM PST by Jonty30 (I love giving directions, because it is like me to tell people where to go and how to get there.)
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To: El Cid
Labeling omicron "mild" is premature. It's lineage shows that it was a predecessor of "alpha" and passaged through humanized mice. The spike protein changes made a huge jump rather than the incremental change observed in alpha/beta/delta.

Omicron evades 17 of the 19 binding points for antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaxx spike and is ineffectively neutralized by Regeneron monoclonal antibodies. The GlaxoSmithKline monoclonal still works.

Omicron no longer requires ACE2 and TMPRSS to gain cell entry. ACE2 alone with cathepsins allows an endosomal cell entry. Bronchial tubes have ACE2 only, so alpha->delta could not infect for want of TMPRSS. The ACE2 only means many more tissue types can be infected by omicron. There appears to be a 2 to 3 week delay in the rise of hospitalizations and deaths. Omicron seems to prefer the double vaxxed who are just short of a "booster" and tripled vaxxed that have begun to have waning antibody titer.

Another interesting observation from an fully unvaxxed family. The father in the family has type A+ blood and experienced fairly severe symptoms. The mom and kids are O+ blood type had very mild symptoms. This pattern has been observed in alpha->delta as well.

On a personal note, I may have had omicron over the last week. A "gift" from one of my wife's inconsiderate co-workers. She came to work sick because she had run out of paid time off. My wife and I maintain pretty high vitamin D levels. We've had minor malaise, fatigue, mild sore throat and slight sniffles. We're both blood type O+. I haven't bothered with a test as I work from my home office. This annoyance will be long gone before I need to interact in person again.

17 posted on 01/18/2022 10:10:46 PM PST by Myrddin
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