CDC Director Rochelle Walensky On GMA said,"Over 75% of deaths occurred in people with at least 4 co-morbidities."

Gab ^ | 01/09/21 | Footdoc

[Enlightened1]

The CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Good Morning America said 75% of the covid deaths had 4 or more co-morbidities. (See at GAB link below 22 second video).

https://gab.com/Footdoc/posts/107592967967454793

Seems like the Administration is hedging their bets. Why all of a sudden are they admitting what was considered "conspiracy theory" not too long ago? 

 

Although for people who checked the CDC website could see the CDC has admitted that only 5% of the Covid deaths 800k are from Covid 19 alone. On avearge of the remaining 95% had co-morbidities. This is as recent as Jan 2nd, 2022.

"For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death. For data on deaths involving COVID-19 by time-period, jurisdiction, and other health conditions,"

I wonder how many of the 5% were killed by the NIH/CDC protocal of puttting patients on the experimetal Remdesvire? If you are on Remdesvire there is a very strong chance that your kidneys will fail, and that's when you go on the ventilator. Most people do not make it out once on the ventilator.

 

Here is the link.  Scroll down to,

"Comorbidities and other conditions"

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

[Grampa Dave]

When you find a 80 or 90 year old person who survives...it’s a pretty sure bet they don’t have a single co-morbidity.

If their co-morbidities are treatable with po meds, and they stay out of a hospital. They can possibly/might survive if they are treated appropriately for their co-morbidities.

[Owen]

I push back a bit on diabetes because it, too, has some moving goalposts.

There is a stat about the majority . . . the majority of diabetics are obese or overweight. You can find bigger numbers talking about risk factors, but that particular sentence is powerful.

Because they added overweight. Using only “obese” would not have achieved “majority”.

There is also a moving BMI definition of 30 vs 35. And with the elderly, another problem appears. A man can gain not a single pound and find a category changed from normal to overweight, or overweight to obese — via loss of height, which does happen with age.

No question, the fewer cells there are the less insulin is needed. But islet cells CAN increase output if called upon to do so, because there are more cells than normal.

Overall my peeve in the matter is this incorrect focus on comorbidities wrt covid deaths. The old die. They die all over the world, and other countries are less obese. It’s a delusional effect of youngsters wanting to imagine it’s not inevitable and that they have some semblance of control.

Generally not.

The Excess Death charts of 85+ are compelling. The virus was like a scythe through them. The #1 comorbidity is Dementia, and I’m pretty sure there is no strong obesity correlation.

[nickcarraway]

What about Vitamin D level?

[enumerated]

“So Russia let the US policies about this matter define their counts? That’s your position? Ditto every other country of the world posting big deathcount numbers.“

No, US policy didn’t dictate it - the same political dynamic exists everywhere.

Would-be tyrants always seek to discredit and undermine self-governance and constrict individual liberties. They never let a crisis go to waste - and they invent a crisis if none exists.

Fear of a crisis - or any existential threat - is the best way to demonstrate that self-governance is a failure - we need the state to protect us from ourselves - we need to give up our liberties.

This is the lie of Marxism, but it is as old as the human race. Liberty vs. tyranny - the same battle rages everywhere - not just in the US.

So yes, other central governments immediately understood the benefit of fear-mongering Covid - not just ours.

“They are dead because the virus killed them. It killed them mostly because they were old. The old have comorbidities.”

The second sentence directly contradicts the first sentence. The fact of co-morbidities means it took more than one thing to kill them. Which means that Covid alone didn’t kill them. Which means the first sentence is false.

Look, the government plays with stats all the time. They do something similar with alcohol and motor vehicle accidents. If there is an accident, and either party had a drink - it is reported as an “alcohol related accident”. It doesn’t matter how much alcohol, or even whether was the driver who caused the accident who had the drink - it all gets conflated together.

The negative result of conflating these stats is that we can’t know the more interesting and useful information: How many accidents or fatalities were actually CAUSED by alcohol abuse?

The “positive” result of conflating these stats is that the numbers will be exaggerated, and politicians can better exploit them to score political points.

[Svartalfiar]

on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.

Four is the average... Meaning almost half these cases probably had six or seven! Or more!

Not sure how people even survive to get sick when they already have seven or eight potentially fatal things wrong with them..

[ealgeone]

Weeks????????

Surely they have the data already.

Weeks on the biggest mess impacting primarily the US and WE??

[pepsionice]

Vit D is brought up via other sources. If you were deficient, it’d be in the immune system issues.

[faucetman]

So she is admitting that they died WITH Covid instead of from covid.

Just like Arianna Huffington stating that “The planes were going there anyway.”

Most of these people “were going there anyway.” or more appropriately, “they WENT there anyway”. Just like the guy on the motorcycle.

[LilFarmer]

Haven’t they known this for 2 years?

If so, why hasn’t there been PSA’s and education about losing weight, exercise, getting sunshine, vit d, etc...

[jdsteel]

I’m 63, on mild high blood pressure medicine and had the old school Covid a year ago.

Medium flu.

[sitetest]

I’m sure Remdesivir can damage kidneys. But properly managed, it doesn’t seem to generally do so.

I have a transplanted kidney. I had the ‘rona this summer. I was given Remdesivir. Carefully. I left the hospital with BETTER kidney function than before I got the virus.

[sitetest]

My understanding is it’s still a co-morbidity, but much less of one.

When I was in the hospital with the ro, my doctors agreed that controlling my bp, fighting to keep my blood glucose under 5.7, reducing my bmi under 30, keeping my Vitamin D up, all were vital to saving my life.

[Lizavetta]

77% of elderly are not obese. It’s not even close.

According to the CDC, "the obesity prevalence was 40.0% among adults aged 20 to 39 years, 44.8% among adults aged 40 to 59 years, and 42.8% among adults aged 60 and older."

Almost all the people I see in the older age group are overweight and most of those could stand to knock off a good 40 lbs. I'm including people around town, in the market, in the senior classes at the YMCA. Everywhere.

[Owen]

44.8 is not 77.

And some of these examinations do try to lump overweight with obese. When that starts, weightlifters run into the stat.

The overall point is hypertension doesn’t require fat. All you have to do is get old. 77% is not 44.8. Not even close.

[daniel1212]

"Seems like the Administration is hedging their bets. Why all of a sudden are they admitting what was considered "conspiracy theory" not too long ago? "

It is not sudden. While the number has fluctuated bit, it has been reported for many months. And grabbed by clickbait producers to say more than it does, and then liberal "fact checkers" using it. See research here and here for more, by the grace of God.

"On avearge of the remaining 95% had co-morbidities. " As the last link provides:

As of 12–05-21, for over 5% of reported COVID-19 deaths, that virus was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate, and “for deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.” While this does not necessarily mean the virus was not the leading contributor in the other 94% of the deaths, and it certainly does not mean it was the leading contributor in all the other 94% of these deaths. The liberally biased politifact.com web site, in correcting the erroneous Aug. 31, 2020 claim that the CDC decreased the number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. from 153,504 to 9,210 based upon the CDC figure of all but 6% of Covid-19 death listed comorbidities, states that, “The vast majority of coronavirus-related deaths occur in patients who have other conditions, which are also listed on their death certificates, but that doesn’t mean COVID-19 was not a factor in their deaths. The CDC considers the underlying cause of death as "the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death," Jeff Lancashire, acting associate director for communications at the NCHS told us.”

However, being “a factor” does not make it the cause, for there is a difference between a condition coinciding with or contributing to an event versus being the cause of it. And while Covid-19 can certainly be the condition that pushes a person over the edge, yet unlike something like HIV or Ebola which typically (at least without intervention) can slay otherwise healthy persons, the condition that began the chain of events in so many Covid-assigned death can be those which would have soon resulted in the death of the person at issue anyway.

[daniel1212]

Much useful data here, by the grace of God.:

Contents

1. Case Fatality Rates per age classes

2. CDC Covid-19 case and death criteria

3. Conditions and Comorbidities

4. Environmental Restrictions relative to Transmission, Conditions and Deaths

5. Environmental Restrictions, Psychological effects and Violence

6. Vaccination and Prevention

7. Recommendations

[Covenantor]

Thanks

[Carry me back]

Yep, what they are giving the patients and the lack of care has killed a lot of people.

[Basket_of_Deplorables]

The “Dry Kindling” theory. We knew this long ago, just got suppressed. People with basically one foot in the grave, caught the new cold and died.

Happens all the time.

Deaths in subsequent years should drop. Except for the ones caused by vaccines, of course. Which seem to be causing deaths to skyrocket.

No vax, no mask, not concerned. And never have been. But boy, did I eat a lot of popcorn, watching the rest of the world run around with their hair on fire for 2 years.

Pure Blood. And will stay that way.

[daniel1212]

"What are the top 9 co-morbidities?"

Search, though lists of order can vary, This can get you started:

CDC: People with Certain Medical Conditions Updated Dec. 14, 2021 People of any age with the following conditions are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19...This list is presented in alphabetical order and not in order of risk.

From a NHLBI page: High blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes common in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 April 22, 2020

April 23, 2020

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The New York Times

• Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds external link

April 22, 2020

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U.S. News & World Report

• Study: High Blood Pressure, Obesity Are Most Common Comorbidities in COVID-19 Patien external link

April 22, 2020

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TIME magazine

• Almost Every Hospitalized Coronavirus Patient Has Another Underlying Health Issue, According to a Study of New York Patients external link

April 26, 2020

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The Washington Post

• In New York’s largest hospital system, many coronavirus patients on ventilators didn’t make it external link

April 27, 2020

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Medical Xpress

• Hypertension, obesity, diabetes common in U.S. COVID-19 patients external link

April 22, 2020

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MedPage Today

• High Mortality Rate in Intubated COVID-19 Patients in NYC external link

Of the total cases 40.80% (95%CI: 35.49%, 46.11%) had comorbidities, while fatal cases had 74.37% (95%CI: 55.78%, 86.97%). Hypertension was more prevalent in severe [47.65% (95%CI: 35.04%, 60.26%)] and fatal [47.90% (95%CI: 40.33%, 55.48%)] cases compared to total cases [14.34% (95%CI: 6.60%, 28.42%)]. Diabetes was more prevalent among fatal cases [24.89% (95%CI: 18.80%, 32.16%)] compared to total cases [9.65% (95%CI: 6.83%, 13.48%)]. Respiratory diseases had a higher prevalence in fatal cases [10.89% (95%CI: 7.57%, 15.43%)] in comparison to total cases [3.65% (95%CI: 2.16%, 6.1%)]. Studies assessing the mechanisms accounting for the associations between severe cases and hypertension, diabetes, and respiratory diseases are crucial in understanding this new disease, managing patients at risk, and developing policies and guidelines that will reduce future risk of severe COVID-19 disease. - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32573311/

The researchers estimated that more than 900,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred through November 2020. Based on their model, 30% of these hospitalizations were attributable to obesity, 26% to hypertension, 21% to diabetes, and 12% to heart failure. These people would still have been infected with COVID-19, but likely would not have been sick enough to need hospitalization.

More than one of these conditions are often present in the same person. The model also estimated hospitalizations due to different combinations. The numbers weren’t simply additive. In total, 64% of the hospitalizations might have been prevented if not for the four conditions.

The model suggested that COVID-19 hospitalizations due to these conditions varied by age. Older adults with diabetes, heart failure, or hypertension were more likely to be hospitalized than younger people with the same condition. However, obesity affected COVID-19 hospitalization risk similarly across age groups.  - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions

NYU scientists: Largest US study of COVID-19 finds obesity the single biggest 'chronic' factor in New York City's hospitalizations Researchers looking at New York City health cases split up COVID-19 patients into clusters based on distinguishing features, including obesity, to form a "decision tree" for statistical analysis. Petrilli et al. 2020

Other features of obesity, like impaired respiratory mechanics and pulmonary function and the co-existence of metabolic disorders like diabetes and cardiovascular disease within a single individual also increase the risk for severe COVID-19 and complications - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8073853/

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8566966/

However, obesity — which over 42% of Americans are — along with high blood pressure and diabetes (which tend to be related to obesity) are leading comorbidities in Covid-assigned deaths (and obesity itself is estimated to be attributable to 2,800,000 deaths in America over a 10 year period — at 280,000 per year).