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The Legal and Moral Morass of Mandatory Vaccination
American Thinker ^ | 9 Jan, 2022 | Judah Rose

Posted on 01/09/2022 4:11:49 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: BitWielder1

“ What would the discussion look like if the mortality rate was, say, 40%?”

People would be more willing to try a vax if the chance of dying from the virus was that great. As it is, I stand a greater risk from the jab than from covid of any strain, so I refuse the jab, unequivocally.


41 posted on 01/09/2022 6:21:24 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: sopo

Thanks. “If” this is Omicron, people really need to get a grip: It’s the mildest illness I’ve had in over 30 years.

I’ve had worse ‘colds’ with corresponding congestion, coughing, etc. This was just a slight fever, a few hours of body aches and I never even lost my appetite.

Bright side: Now I’m SUPER immune (Alpha, Delta & Omicron).


42 posted on 01/09/2022 6:24:37 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: MtnClimber

Last night Doctor was on Jesse Waters show,claimed Omicron escaped during experiment on mice in South Africa.


43 posted on 01/09/2022 6:41:19 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: zeestephen

The author also claims that the vaccine manufacturers would not be protected from civil liability if the EUA ended. This is factually incorrect. The vaccine manufacturers have this legal protection under any circumstances, but there are two different Federal laws covering “EUA vaccines” and “regular vaccines.”


44 posted on 01/09/2022 6:43:29 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: MtnClimber
— 1. The pandemic is to force you to get the vaccine 2. The vaccine is to force you to get the vaccine passport 3. The vaccine passport is to push you into the social credit system 4. The social credit system is to force you into obeying the government

This is Exactly what is transpiring in Europe, and why the mass protests there are growing, as well as not being generally reported in the US.

45 posted on 01/09/2022 6:51:01 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

It is happening in Australia and New Zealand too.


46 posted on 01/09/2022 6:54:05 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

In a free rational society, it is right and one has the right to make decisions based on one’s own free individual, independent, rational judgement about what is in one’s own true interests, and then to act in accordance with one’s judgments, as long as one is not initiating physical force against or intending to harm someone else. One is free to make a right or wrong decision about whether or not to get the vaccine.


47 posted on 01/09/2022 6:59:46 AM PST by mjp (pro-freedom & pro-wealth $)
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To: Adder

When I had covid my Dr. told me to alternate between aspirin and Tylenol every 3 hours and go to the ER if I had trouble breathing. Does that sound appropriate treatment for symptoms?

Your drywall guy may very well have better options for treating symptoms than the medical professionals.


48 posted on 01/09/2022 7:16:01 AM PST by zek157
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To: MtnClimber

1914 SCHLOENDORFF COURT DECISION

“Every human being of adult years and sound mind has a right to determine what shall be done with his own body; and a surgeon who performs an operation without his patient’s consent commits an assault for which he is liable in damages. This is true except in cases of emergency where the patient is unconscious and where it is necessary to operate before consent can be obtained.”

Justice Benjamin Cardozo, who became a US Supreme Court judge later in life

Schloendorff v. Society of New York Hospital, 105 N.E. 92 (N.Y. 1914)


49 posted on 01/09/2022 7:31:39 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Flick Lives
Trump's Secretary of HHS declared a Covid Public Health Emergency in January 2020.

Trump declared a Covid National Emergency in March 2020.

I do not know the legal difference between a HHS Covid Public Health Emergency and Trump's Covid National Emergency.

Biden renewed Trump's Covid National Emergency in March 2021.

By statute, Congress is required to review any Presidential National Emergency every six months...

§1622. National emergencies

(a) Termination methods
Any national emergency declared by the President in accordance with this subchapter shall terminate if—

(1) there is enacted into law a joint resolution terminating the emergency; or

(2) the President issues a proclamation terminating the emergency.

(b) Termination review of national emergencies by Congress

Not later than six months after a national emergency is declared, and not later than the end of each six-month period thereafter that such emergency continues, each House of Congress shall meet to consider a vote on a joint resolution to determine whether that emergency shall be terminated.

To my knowledge, Congress has NEVER reviewed the Covid National Emergency or voted on it.

I have seen two linked posts at Free Republic that state Congress must vote on the Trump-Biden Covid National Emergency in January 2022.

50 posted on 01/09/2022 7:35:03 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: ballplayer

“Murine coronavirus is an important pathogen in the laboratory mouse and the laboratory rat. It is the most studied coronavirus in animals other than humans, and has been used as an animal disease model for many virological and clinical studies.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murine_coronavirus

Perhaps rodent lab workers should be studied to determine if they have better Covid immunity.


51 posted on 01/09/2022 7:37:29 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Alberta's Child
Please see my Comment #50.

It is not clear which Emergency we are operating under, or when it ends.

HHS Public Health Emergency? Or, Presidential National Emergency?

If the Emergency ends, then, the Moderna and J&J vaccines will have to be withdrawn because they are EUAs.

52 posted on 01/09/2022 7:51:06 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Brian Griffin

Why?


53 posted on 01/09/2022 7:52:28 AM PST by Sarcazmo
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To: MtnClimber

“reduces severity” is the last thing they have to hang on to.

It’s a good one, because I think it’s nearly impossible to prove. The shills of the world will try to warp statistics to convince us.

It’s easy to convince an individual. I tried Zicam (something to reduce severity of cold) one time. I quickly realized there was literally NO WAY to tell if it was doing anything, short of time travel. I don’t use it anymore.


54 posted on 01/09/2022 8:00:56 AM PST by Sarcazmo
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To: Sarcazmo

I wrote:
The “American Thinker” should do a google image search for Comirnaty

You wrote:
“Why?”

My answer to you:
To see many different images of vials labeled “Comirnaty”

The EUA labeled Pfizer Covid vaccine for adults is expired and no longer administered by US medical professionals.


55 posted on 01/09/2022 8:21:51 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Sarcazmo

Blast from the past.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Zicam+loss+of+smell&t=brave&ia=web


56 posted on 01/09/2022 8:22:46 AM PST by EVO X ( )
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To: Brian Griffin

Huh. I did a search on “Alien” one time and saw a whole bunch of pictures of aliens.

It was then that I realized that because I saw a picture of it on the internet, does not mean it’s true. I was devastated.

Much like that picture of AOC with the fire coming out of her a$$. (don’t search this by the way, unless you’re alone and not at work).


57 posted on 01/09/2022 8:35:23 AM PST by Sarcazmo
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To: EVO X

That’s weird. Zinc, loss of smell, cold/flu treatment.

Probably nothing. Just weird.

I always wondered where that stuff went.


58 posted on 01/09/2022 8:38:00 AM PST by Sarcazmo
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To: Sarcazmo

I never used it, I am old enough to remember the news reports...


59 posted on 01/09/2022 8:44:02 AM PST by EVO X ( )
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To: Brian Griffin

So I took your advice and searched it up (not the images, that would be ridiculous) and you know what?

I’m still not convinced. The usual sources seem mumbly about it - a little too wordy, too much explanation. Much like how the FDA “approval” was worded. And for each of those, there is another source that says it isn’t available.

The prudent thinker knows to be cautious under these conditions.

Now three months or so ago a coworker let me see her vax card (I didn’t ask). It said pfizer/bio-ntec (EUA) or some such. Anecdotal, I know.

But I’m still not convinced.


60 posted on 01/09/2022 8:53:05 AM PST by Sarcazmo
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