Posted on 01/07/2022 12:10:59 PM PST by Coronal
Travis McMichael sentenced to life without parole plus 20 years for assault.
+1.
Do you think these guys, in that circumstance, would have taken that same action against a suspected white criminal?
Yes. White criminals come with a lot less pitfalls than dealing with Black criminals. People have been chasing and catching white criminals for hundreds of years in this country, and thousands of years in Europe.
I don't know anyone who would not have chased and confronted a white criminal, specially if they have a background in law enforcement. That usually buys you a lot of leeway in interactions with the police or sheriff.
I don't think I have ever been bothered by a black criminal. All the ones that have ever plagued me were white, at least the ones I learned about.
They talked to the police. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE
I know, right?
Lol. You guys still want to include all sorts of things not relevant to the case. Keep up that thinking and you will end up in a cell next to them.
They video taped the whole thing like a bunch of prepubescent boys making a tic Tom video. All they needed was to show that video.
A bullet to the back of their head would be too good for these buffoons. Getting sodomized every night for the rest of their lives seems about right.
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Needs appeal.
Multiple gun hands-contact.
You have surprised me with this particular comment. I guess we all have our off days time and again.
Ashli Babbitt was trespassing, and she was shot dead even though she posed no threat whatsoever to her killer, yet he hasn’t faced any charges.
Ahmaud Arbery was trespassing, and he was ONLY shot when he posed a threat to the people who wanted to detain him, yet they are charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced to life.
I’m all for them tailing the guy until police arrive, but armed apprehension over a property crime is extremely risky - they’re liable if something goes wrong, and it did. Arbery was not suspected of a capital crime.
Yes, be armed if you’re going to apprehend a suspected criminal. You’d better get it right, because you’re liable if you get it wrong.
There was no immediate indication of an immediate crime having been committed (mere trespass in this instance).
“Arbery might be carrying the gun that was stolen out of your truck” - bare fear. There was no sign of it, they didn’t know for sure he had it, the idea is speculation. Understandable, but speculation.
“How do you know it is only trespass?” - they didn’t know it was anything more than that. They can’t act on pure speculation. They had no evidence of anything more than trespass happening. The standard for armed citizen’s arrest need be very specific and objective to wit “this person was immediately observed committing heinous crime X in this manner with this evidence”, not “he was standing in a construction site, we’ve seen someone who looks like him on video”.
Agreed that Arbery got what was coming for him. Karma is a b!tch, and gave him what he deserved. He killed himself by grabbing the wrong end of a shotgun held by someone trying to right a wrong, and doing so in a very ill-advised manner.
As for Arbery being psychotic and off his meds: McMichaels didn’t know that, didn’t have evidence of that, and were not in a position to evaluate that.
They saw a reasonable suspect, of mere property crimes, trespassing suspiciously. Their actions directly contributed to his death, which was not justified under GA law. Warrants punishment, but certainly not life in prison.
Unlike some parts of the country, like the upper midwest and New England, in rural and semi-rural Georgia, blacks and whites live in close proximity to each other. If you think they were somehow shocked and frightened to see a black man in Brunswick, GA, you are an idiot.
Or maybe you just believe, like some other Freepers, that southern whites are naturally and incorrigibly racist?
I doubt they were shocked or frightened.
In fact, they probably felt it was somewhat familiar.
Or maybe not.
Got anything interesting to say?
LOL, reading this, and your next post, tells me everything I need to know. Thanks for being so impulsively transparent!
Glad I could help with your education!
I read through the comments and did not see anyone mention the security video that showed the dead man, on two occasions, inside a nearby house under construction, that had $5,000 of building materials stolen.
Why was that not probable cause for trying to arrest or detain this guy?
They saw a reasonable suspect, of mere property crimes, trespassing suspiciously. Their actions directly contributed to his death, which was not justified under GA law. Warrants punishment, but certainly not life in prison.
And I recollected that you had first typed this:
"I’m all for them tailing the guy until police arrive,..."
And the thought occurs to me that a man who would run up on someone with a shotgun is as likely to run up on someone "tailing" him, and then you get the exact same result.
What I am saying is that you are monday morning quarterbacking here. In hindsight you think "tailing" him would have been reasonable, but that's because you didn't consider the possibility that this criminal nutjob would run up on people tailing him and still get shot.
And if he did attack the people tailing him and he still got shot, would you say they were irresponsible for tailing him and they should have just let him go so as to not provoke him?
This is about race being used as a political football and has nothing to do with the actual facts of the case.
Had Arbery been white, there would have been no charges at all filed, no conviction and no media circus.
Pretending this is about actual Georgian law is a disservice to any serious discussion of the matter. This was a witch trial.
Following the guy is not the same as chasing him closely, blocking his path, brandishing offensive weapons, and bringing guns close enough that the guy can grab the wrong end thereof. You can follow someone from far enough that you’re not an actionable threat to them; they didn’t.
You only get to chase a fleeing felon if you KNOW he is in immediate proximity of committing a felony, and that society is objectively endangered by his escape in conjunction with that felony.
You only get to do a citizen’s arrest if you KNOW a crime warranting immediate arrest has occurred. You don’t get to screw this up.
The only immediately knowable crime was trespassing, not warranting armed confrontation and arrest.
I tried real hard to be on the McMichaels’ side here.
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