Posted on 01/07/2022 12:10:59 PM PST by Coronal
The owner of the property never reported $5000 in building materials stolen. The reports are some plywood scraps were taken by local kids and some fishing equipment was taken from the truck. The security video didn't show Arbury involved in any of that.
Well it isn't until it is. If following the guy caused him to run back and attack the guy with the gun, people would now be saying "They shouldn't have followed the guy! That was over the line!"
You only get to chase a fleeing felon if you KNOW he is in immediate proximity of committing a felony, and that society is objectively endangered by his escape in conjunction with that felony.
Well the silly bastards should have been carrying their portable lawyer around in their back pocket and should have consulted him frequently before doing anything.
You only get to do a citizen’s arrest if you KNOW a crime warranting immediate arrest has occurred.
They were going to "arrest" him now? I thought they were just going to intimidate him into not leaving before the police arrived. Talking to him obviously didn't work, but I had not heard they intended to lay any hands on him.
Where did you hear that?
The only immediately knowable crime was trespassing, not warranting armed confrontation and arrest.
Again with the portable lawyer. Normal people don't think like that.
Guy seen on video several times shows up. Probably same guy peeking in windows of houses at night. Stuff missing from the neighborhood when this guy has been seen.
Probably the same guy.
All the incidents are lumped together into one incident, at least in the minds of a normal person. You'd have to be some sort of autistic nut to think all the various incidents aren't related.
I tried real hard to be on the McMichaels’ side here.
I had no difficulty at all realizing they were being railroaded because the dead crook was black and the nation was going through another round of media driven black angst spasms.
I see a man who could have ran away, run straight at a man holding a shotgun and punch him in the face and then try to wrest his gun away from him.
I would have shot him too, but I would have had the good sense to not let him get nearly as close as McMichael did.
I reject the claim that the McMichaels shouldn't have been armed. That is nonsense on the face of it. I reject the claim that they should have done nothing. I reject the claim that they had no right to try to talk to this man, or that they had no right to try to intimidate him into staying away from the exit until the police arrived.
This man was the aggressor and he should have been shot. All the other arguments are ex post facto bullsh*t created because of political pressure from media liars spreading a false account of what happened.
Well clearly if video doesn't show it happening, it couldn't have happened. That's just common sense isn't it?
Nothing ever gets stolen off camera. Ever.
Even the cops are finding out that black criminals are far more dangerous to their lives because they are being used as political tools by the left.
Was the video introduced as evidence?
How did the prosecution explain that the alleged jogger was inside a private residence, many miles from his own residence, on two occasions?
Was breaking and entering mentioned? Trespassing?
The master political plan here seems to be to terrify white people from defending themselves, and, at the same time, to encourage Black people to commit crimes that will no longer be prosecuted.
That is a really, really bad idea.
I believe it was.
How did the prosecution explain that the alleged jogger was inside a private residence, many miles from his own residence, on two occasions?
The owner of the property stated in his deposition that it was not uncommon for people to walk through the property. He had video of several people.
Was breaking and entering mentioned? Trespassing?
Breaking and entering was not a possible crime since the property had no doors or windows to keep people out. Trespassing might have been a possible charge but it would have been a misdemeanor.
The master political plan here seems to be to terrify white people from defending themselves, and, at the same time, to encourage Black people to commit crimes that will no longer be prosecuted.
Maybe the master plan should be not to take the law into your own hands, track down and stop a person without reason to do so, threaten to kill him, and wind up killing him. Don't do that and you don't go to prison for the rest of your life.
That is a really, really bad idea.
As opposed to the positive life choices the McMichaels chose?
If it had happened then the owner of the property would have said it happened and given the police the details. He didn't.
I know almost nothing about the evidence introduced at the trial - thus, no point in trying to debate this.
I do know the original prosecutor declined to prosecute.
I also know that a central goal of the Political Left is to disarm and cower American Conservatives.
I cannot help but notice that you are often glibly dismissive of core Conservative values.
Is there any part of the Conservative agenda that you actually support?
I was not aware of supporting the murder of someone is a core conservative value. I would think the opposite was true.
You are confusing me with someone else.
I support the ideal of American justice - innocent, until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
By the way, if you or I had been pursued by armed neighbors in a place we did not live, we would have stopped, kept our hands in plain sight, and waited for the cops to show up.
Also, still waiting to hear about any part of the Conservative agenda that you support.
Which is the case with the McMichaels.
By the way, if you or I had been pursued by armed neighbors in a place we did not live, we would have stopped, kept our hands in plain sight, and waited for the cops to show up.
And if those neighbors are holding guns on you and threatening to blow your head off then do you wait and hope they had called the police? Or do you take them at their word and fight for your life?
Also, still waiting to hear about any part of the Conservative agenda that you support
I think I strongly support conservative values but since I have no idea what you consider a conservative agenda is then why not tell me what you think it is and I'll respond to each point.
The 1994 Contract With America might be a good place to start?
Personal responsibility. Constitutional literalism. Most powerful military in the world. Free enterprise capitalism. Limited government. Fiscal responsibility.
Also, something about "Taking Back our Streets," if I recall correctly?
Nice chatting with you, Doodle.
I am completely out of things to talk about.
Yeah how's that working out for us?
At night? How many people walked through the place in the middle of the night?
This is another of your attempts to misdirect by not making it clear what was actually happening. This is a lie by omission.
In normal circumstances this would be a reasonable conjecture. In light of militants burning down cities over a fabricated narrative that black people were being murdered by cops and other people, the owner would have been rightfully terrified at the prospect of his property being burned or himself being assaulted.
If I were him, I wouldn't touch it. Indeed, the stupidest thing the McMichaels did was to not be aware of the current political climate regarding the manufactured narrative that black people were being murdered indiscriminately.
They were tone deaf. Had they been aware of what was going on in the nation, they would have realized they were playing with fire.
Nothing they owned was worth the sh*t storm that the lying media and the DC power system would bring down on top of them.
Several of them. They had to solicit a Torquemada from the ranks across the state to find one that would.
Again, proof this was a witch hunt and not a real trial.
Wasn't a murder. Was a suicide. Assaulting a man with a shotgun is suicide.
Suicide is usually a tragedy, though probably not in this particular case, but it happens.
George Floyd was a suicide too. Michael Brown was most definitely a suicide. Travon Martin was an accidental suicide because he didn't know Zimmerman was armed.
Floyd was probably an accidental suicide. Fentanyl has been killing people because they don't realize how dangerous it is, but Michael Brown should have known that punching a cop and struggling for his gun was very likely to produce death.
Perhaps in his drug addled state of mind he simply wasn't thinking straight.
That's what normal people do. Arbery was diagnosed with a violent psychotic mental disorder, and he was high at the time.
Very hard (and painful) for me to understand the enthusiastic agreement with this verdict by so many Freepers.
What they are doing is "virtue signaling." They want everyone to know how very very non-racist they are because they want to see people punished because a black guy died in an encounter.
That it was his own fault is irrelevant. The fact that they are condemning some white people who were involved in it is the goal.
I and a few others are not so worried that people will see us a "racists", so we aren't afraid to tell the truth.
Nowadays, judging people with a single standard for behavior is seen as "racist."
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