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I am having trouble seeing how these cruise lines that have borrowed Billions of dollars to stay afloat and have not had a profitable income in over a year, and possibly another 8 months, can keep the creditors from forcing them into receivership or a form of Chapter 11 Bankrupcy.-Tom
1 posted on 12/31/2021 12:56:28 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom

I visited the former East Germany and Soviet Eastern Europe a couple times, and have lived in China.

What I learned in those places is that literally everything is political.

Forget about their “business model” - the question to ask yourself now in the USA is - are they politically-correct, and will government allow it?


2 posted on 12/31/2021 1:00:42 PM PST by PGR88
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“but we’re also generally seeing fewer passenger fatalities”

The only on I heard of was the guy that went over the side


3 posted on 12/31/2021 1:02:02 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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Can investors trust cruise line stocks?

Not if Fauci and FJB can help it!


4 posted on 12/31/2021 1:04:44 PM PST by Aria
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I wouldn’t invest in cruise line stocks per se. But then I don’t generally invest in individual stocks (with some exceptions) but rather invest in mutual funds.

Leisure mutual funds will include cruise lines but a lot of other stuff. They took a dive during early days of covid then clawed back up a bit. Now might be a good time to buy some for a long term investor if so inclined. There is still some pent-up demand I suppose given all the continual covid press.


6 posted on 12/31/2021 1:10:26 PM PST by plain talk
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Do you know if it is just the US cruise lines or is the rest of the world as bad?


7 posted on 12/31/2021 1:16:28 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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I have family that just returned from a cruise. They all seem OK so far, God bless them. They are quite elderly (most of them, but some kids and grandkids tagged along), but said they had a good time.

They got a great deal. $800 for the week, free upgraded cabins, all you can eat and drink too which I thought was unheard of. My uncle even won $200 in a stupid slot machine! (He didn’t tell me how much he put into it).

Cruise liners are probably a good investment if you’re willing to rock with the ebbs and flows. Covid will rock them but they won’t sink. Of course, shareholders may get wiped out if they have to file bankruptcy. So this is NOT investment advice.


8 posted on 12/31/2021 1:19:26 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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It depends. If they give 10-100s of millions to Hunter Biden, or if Pelosi can figure out an insider trading angle, they will survive.
9 posted on 12/31/2021 1:19:38 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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Whether you can “trust” them...meaning, plop your money down early January and let that money sit there in the form of shares for some unspecified time without trying to time or trade the shares, is an open question. I can assure you that as trading vehicles, they run hot & cold as virus news gets bleak and then relaxes.

Although I do not like them much, there should be little question that if you are willing to buy them at times of maximum pessimism, there will come a day when CV-whatever restrictions become relaxed and passenger traffic and thus revs will soar. How long that might take is unknowable.

Additionally, one can also reasonably surmise that having performed poorly during the last two years, they have been tossed out for tax-loss harvesting and various hopes will again reflate them, some, in the coming year. One of the best times to buy beaten down stocks is in effect 12/31. Because anyone who’s gonna sell has sold. I remember very well, I think it was the year of the BP oil well blowout in the Gulf. RIG (Transocean Offshore) had a really crappy year, and at end Dec that year, was trading at about 14. By March of the next year, it was back at 40ish.


10 posted on 12/31/2021 1:24:20 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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11 posted on 12/31/2021 1:24:58 PM PST by Theoria
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What good would receivership do? The market for used cruise ships is pretty limited. If the line fold, the banks loses everything.

This is a case where the creditors might be better off extending more credit.


12 posted on 12/31/2021 1:28:20 PM PST by Fai Mao (I don't think we have enough telephone poles.)
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If you know Fauxi personally and can make the same stock purchases he does then you should be golden.


13 posted on 12/31/2021 1:37:03 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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I have carnival cruise stock that I bought for 12 dollars at the beginning of the pandemic. It’s at 20 right now. I’m going to watch in January where it goes. I do not want to sell in 2021 for tax reasons. 2022 will be a better tax reason to sell.


16 posted on 12/31/2021 1:56:05 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016 democratic )
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