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Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?
yahoo news ^ | December 27, 2021, 5:27 PM | Andrew Lisa

Posted on 12/28/2021 8:40:56 AM PST by RicocheT

Compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground.

The More You Consider, the Worse EVs Look Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that:

Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates.

Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV.

Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600.

“Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank.

Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles.

Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV.

This article originally appeared on GOBankingRates.com: Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?

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To: Chode

UBER driver, 424k miles NO OTHER MAINTENANCE!


201 posted on 12/28/2021 12:33:50 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE.”

I won’t argue with you. However I will call out your false posts.


202 posted on 12/28/2021 12:35:34 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Chode

“this is on the NEW battery...”

UBER driver with 424k miles!

NO OTHER MAINTENANCE!

$2500 saved on oil changes alone.


203 posted on 12/28/2021 12:39:19 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: RicocheT

My time is valuable. Thus the false assault on ICE vehicles prompts me to always park in a charging space.

Nothing will change for me in terms of EVs until they revolutionize battery technology and bypass the hypocrisy of the ‘green’ status of lithium & RE mining.

Until then, I’m hip to hydrogen. But getting access to Lithium-6 (for storage) will take an act of Congress.


204 posted on 12/28/2021 1:01:45 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Sacajaweau

Where does the electricity for the charging stations come from?


Mom and Dad.


205 posted on 12/28/2021 1:06:37 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pxzftrnqfrn

2.81 a gallon? What planet is that price on?


Pre-Bidon?


206 posted on 12/28/2021 1:07:54 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pxzftrnqfrn

2.81 a gallon? What planet is that price on?


Pre-Bidon?

Actually, Pre-Bidon it was considerably lower than that. That number sounds like not-California, and not-Northeast.


207 posted on 12/28/2021 1:10:00 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pxzftrnqfrn

It’s in north Georgia and SW North Carolina. Walmart and gas stations at major grocery stores $2,81. Gas stations around town used by locals compete to this price point. Gas stations on the highways snag travelers passing through town at $3 plus.


208 posted on 12/28/2021 1:12:04 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: Mariner

On Oct. 21, 2021, ... study, which was six months in the making.


209 posted on 12/28/2021 1:13:04 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mariner

$2.59 today at the Walmart here in Central Texas ...


210 posted on 12/28/2021 1:17:56 PM PST by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: qwerty1234

I have no plans on owning an EV, but this article is playing pretty loose with the facts to make its point as far as I can tell, i.e. factoring the cost of a charger in how much it costs to drive 200 miles, without explaining how long a charger might last and laying bare all the facts. Seems more like they started with a conclusion and twisted the facts to support it.


Well, clearly they factored in the charger in a pro-rated fashion, else the cost for 200 miles would have been over $600. The article isn’t the study, but rather a summary of the study. What would have been nice is a link to the study, but likely that is paywalled.


211 posted on 12/28/2021 1:22:27 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Renfrew

there is no theoretical reason for an EV to cost more than an ICE.


Sure there is. Materials.


212 posted on 12/28/2021 1:29:04 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: fireman15

Actually, we don’t know how long the batteries typically last, nor how well the newer of the cars hold up. They haven’t been around long enough. At best we’ve got a list of the early failures.


213 posted on 12/28/2021 1:59:36 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mariner
I’m wonderin’ where people buy gas for $2.81/gal.

Good question. Gas hasn't been that inexpensive here in Aiken County, SC since last July.

Another thing: I have a friend who bought a Nissan EV earlier this year. This guy is really into virtue signaling, or as it used to be called, bragging. When he called me on the phone to tell me about his purchase, he went on and on about how the car was saving him money. No gasoline, no oil, no tune ups, less wear on brake pads (the car uses reverse EMF on the motors when you're slowing down to stop, thus less wear), etc.

He went on and on, chewing on my ear about how smart he was by buying an EV. Then he really calmed down when I asked how much it would cost to replace the battery? He said, "At least $8,000." I suggested he figure in that cost when figuring how "cheap" the EV was.

He wimped out by pointing out he would trade the car before the battery needed to be changed. And I pointed out, "Of course a potential buyer would fail to include that in your price?" He said yes. 'Nuff said.

214 posted on 12/28/2021 2:02:27 PM PST by upchuck (The longer I remain unjabbed with the clot-shot, the more evidence I see supporting my decision.)
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To: upchuck

I got gas at COSTCO today for 2.69/gal.
And yes I know COSTCO is not approved by FR.


215 posted on 12/28/2021 2:03:45 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: RicocheT

Which costs more NOW is irrelevant. What’s important is how much ROAD TAX the gummint will impose on battery-only EVs when they see gas tax revenues falling off.

And it will be substantial because they know most BEV drivers switched because they’re virtue-signalling and will bear up under the new tax rather than risk losing their apostleship in the WOKE church.


216 posted on 12/28/2021 2:09:38 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

Indiana has already upped yearly registration fees for evs and hybrids for that reason.


217 posted on 12/28/2021 2:12:50 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: fireman15

The first “plug-in” Prius hybrids came out in 2012 with a much larger 4.4 kwh battery with a range on battery power alone of 11 miles.


My friends experience about that time with a non-plug-in Prius was that driving at about 70-75 mph for the bulk of the commute, his gas milage was much less than another friend’s Corolla driving the same commute. The Prius did much better during the traffic jams.


218 posted on 12/28/2021 2:20:51 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: BobL

They used to send it off to China to burn, but the air is so dirty there now that China stopped taking our garbage (a few years ago), so now they just dump it.


As best as I can tell, the Chinese were paying for the recycling to fill all those cargo containers worldwide that would otherwise go back empty, and they stopped when a documentary, ‘Plastic China’, was made about the people in China who did the sorting. The Chinese government decided the movie made them look bad, and so banned the practice beginning January 2018.


219 posted on 12/28/2021 2:47:19 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: RicocheT

On a pure cost per mile basis, it all depends on the cost per kWh, and there’s no good reason to think that with the leftist “green” revolution it will stay anywhere near today’s prices. In Germany it’s about $0.35/kWh, which puts the cost per mile near to that of even large ICE vehicles at $2.50/gallon. With Cali prices creeping up into the 20s/30s cents, especially for daytime use, it’s not that far off.

But that doesn’t even account for the price premium for EVs, added sales and property taxes on that premium, higher depreciation, and, of course, all of it made worse in cold weather and with predominant highway use.

My takeaway here is that it just depends on what you want: there’s no significant savings on road use costs for EVs, and, even if there were, other costs chip it away. Gasoline ain’t going away. But I get that others want their electrics — just don’t force it on the rest of us, especially with exaggerated claims on road use savings and how it will save the planet.


220 posted on 12/28/2021 3:20:14 PM PST by nicollo
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