Posted on 12/28/2021 8:40:56 AM PST by RicocheT
Compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground.
The More You Consider, the Worse EVs Look Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that:
Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates.
Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV.
Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600.
“Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank.
Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles.
Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV.
This article originally appeared on GOBankingRates.com: Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?
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The EV is a game of taxes vs subsidies.
due to regulation and all kind of taxes and twists, the real cost of energy is hard to figure out.
Bit if you could go back to the real, physical costs, the Gasoline would win handily.
However Gas is taxed and the Arabs are artificially rising it price by cartel manipulation.
On the other hand, home electricity is somewhat subsidized.
The commercial recharging stations are actually charging the real cost of electricity, that they cost a lot more.
Who will control the supply of the minerals needed to produce the batteries?
Yep, we’ve built this nation into one of the most sought after nations, where ,ife is comfortable, convenient, and pleasant, and the left for some sick reason want to drive us right back into the stone ages, apparn6 use they can’t stand anyone but themselves enjoying life
My question is are they assuming the TRUE cost here, or including the freebies gov and woke businesses are offering…rebates! Free charge while you shop!
Exactly.
The presumptions that libs force us all to accept as a given, are actually non-sequiturs.
Originally, the EV came, because Los Angeles has a smog problem. The California air quality board came with crazy requirements which only EV could satisfy.
Nowadays, that’s forgotten, but now they think EV could solve Global warming (hoax). Assuming, that electricity could all be generated by solar cells and windmills. What that would cost, in extreme, would destroy all nature by covering it by solar cells and windmills.
Basically they want to save the nature by destroying it!
Golf course transportation is one. Oh, wait.
Good question considering that GM issued a warning adivsing owners of their Bolt models not to charge in garages or unattended because of the fire hazard.
Well it certainly increased the amount of smug.
Yes, by transferring the smog to somewhere else.
I owned a 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. It only ran "full electric" in nice weather i.e. 70F temperature. Even then, it rarely remained in electric mode for more than half a city block. The real hazard is running very silent in a shopping center parking lot. You can easily "sneek up" on unwary pedestrians in all electric mode on a clean, concrete surface. In reality, it happened about once a year.
Or in the shopping center itself. ;)
You also have to factor time. The gas tank in a car takes a minute or two to fill. A sliver of the time it takes to charge an EV: From a couple of hours to overnight.
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One has to wonder what efforts are being made to solve that problem. It would seem that if EVs were built in a way to have at least one of the batteries that was a standard size, then when one pulled into the ‘charging station’, there should be a ‘fresh battery’ there already charged and ready to go... out with the depleted one and in with another.
My Eversource KHW rate up here in NH is about .09/KHW. However, my total electric bill is always about 2X the actual usage of electric.
FYI, an Eversource employee told me that only about 20% of their electricity comes from Seabrook now.
“I presume it is still cheaper to run an EV - for most people - but not sure it offsets the extra costs of buying one, nor the risk of having a $22K battery needing replacing in 10+/- years.”
No one is going to be buying a yacht with the savings, if any. The $22k battery is real money and if you do the math, it comes out to 22 cents per mile, if it’s good for 100,000 miles. And if you get rid of the car at 100,000 miles, the $22k will simply be deducted from the resale. So either way, you pay...
Interesting. Good for your friend. You do realize that Prius "hybrids" were not actually made available to consumers in the US market until 2001 less than 20 years ago?
Hybrids are not electric vehicles by definition. The original batteries do eventually wear out; Prius batteries started out as nickle metal hydride and are dozens of times smaller and cost just a fraction of the price to replace compared to an actual electric vehicle. A rebuilt original Prius battery still costs approximately $2000 not including installation. And what do you mean that the car died? Cars don't die they just get to a point where they are not worth fixing. I have never had a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle that wasn't worth fixing, but that I becasue I do all my own maintenance including replacing and repairing major components including transmissions and engines.
The first "plug-in" Prius hybrids came out in 2012 with a much larger 4.4 kwh battery with a range on battery power alone of 11 miles. Compare this to 50 kwh to 100 kwh batteries found in actual Electric Vehicles.
I am very familiar with Prius automobiles as they are extremely common in our area and we have many friends who drive them. I have ridden in and driven Prius cars. They have gasoline engines and are not what we are talking about in this thread.
Clearing smog in the Los Angeles bowl with large solar-powered fans and flowing-water collectors at ground level now doesn't seem as ridiculous as it was made out to be.
>>Again. What is the “problem” EVs are trying to solve?
“White liberal guilt.”
The need for Karens to be able to walk with their heads tilted up and pointy noses sticking out because they’re able to now PROVE they care about the planet more than you do.
...but come to think of it, you’re right - it is white liberal guilt.
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