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Mystery of Why Delta Air Flight to China Turned Back to Seattle More Than Half Way Through Flight
Paddle your own Kanoo ^ | 26 2821 | Mateusz Maszczynski

Posted on 12/26/2021 8:17:51 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT

Delta Air Lines flight from Seattle to Shanghai mysteriously turned back and returned to the United States nearly six hours into what should have been an 11 hours flight to China. The mid-air flight cancellation has resulted in a rebuke from the Chinese consulate in San Francisco which said on its WeChat account that it had “lodged a protest” with the airline.

Delta has since cancelled its planned service from Seattle to Shanghai until December 30 at the earliest but it remains unclear why the airline was forced to turn around in the first place.

According to witnesses on the flight, the pilot suggested that a change in entry requirements had been announced by the Chinese authorities at some point after takeoff. There was a fear that the passengers were no longer eligible to enter China so the only alternative was to fly back to Seattle.

Local Chinese media have been told by Shanghai airport officials that entry rules have not changed in some time and no sudden change had been made after DL287 departed. Passengers onboard the flight were so perplexed that they didn’t believe Delta staff and police were allegedly called once the aircraft arrived back in Seattle.

(Excerpt) Read more at paddleyourownkanoo.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Travel
KEYWORDS: airlines; ccp; china; chinesetricks; delta; deltaairlines; dl287; mateuszmaszczynski; odd; seattle; shanghai; washington
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To: Libloather

it was the export version, not for domestic consumption.


41 posted on 12/27/2021 5:03:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: gas_dr

LOL!


42 posted on 12/27/2021 7:36:04 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!!)
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To: for-q-clinton
A spy was onboard trying to escape...I>

Whoa - my first guess too...

43 posted on 12/27/2021 7:59:40 AM PST by GOPJ (Biden and his commie thugs don’t want us vaccinated they want us hated...)
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To: Repeal The 17th
“I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.”

Excellent example...

44 posted on 12/27/2021 8:00:56 AM PST by GOPJ (Biden and his commie thugs don’t want us vaccinated they want us hated...)
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To: philman_36

No, the high altitude compressor stalls take care of that...


45 posted on 12/27/2021 11:25:57 AM PST by Axenolith (WOOT! Another day without False Vacuum Decay!!!)
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To: gas_dr

“ Rough ride with that tail wind?”

A tail wind does not equate to a rough ride. Pilots are always looking at winds aloft to find a tail wind which saves a lot on fuel in addition to an earlier arrival time.


46 posted on 12/27/2021 11:57:35 AM PST by Jayster (Legalize Marijuana )
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To: gas_dr

Absolutely smooth ride, my wife even asked me if the airplane was shuttering because we are going so fast. It’s all relative, with 180 knot tail wind the airplane is still flying in the same relative forward air speed. Big difference in ground speed however! I’ve only had one other flight in the last 15 years during a crossing where we kept the tail wind from takeoff to landing. Normally we get up around the Aleutian chain and there is what could be considered the doldrums were you have basically no wind.


47 posted on 12/27/2021 1:07:45 PM PST by Bigbrown
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To: Wilhelm Tell

The jetstream varies based on Coriolis effect, surface friction and tropopause. From day-to-day it changes and our flight plan is fully automated to make sure that we receive the maximum benefit of the wind. While avoiding bad weather of course!


48 posted on 12/27/2021 1:09:37 PM PST by Bigbrown
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To: philman_36

Space is above us so best to keep the nose down! Geez, tough crowd!


49 posted on 12/27/2021 1:11:04 PM PST by Bigbrown
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To: Jayster

I caught rides with tail winds over the Rockies and mountain wave action.
Was unpleasant to say the least.
But your point is well taken


50 posted on 12/27/2021 1:36:01 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Bigbrown

Thanks for the info. You have the coolest job. Thanks for answering my simplistic and rookie questions.


51 posted on 12/27/2021 1:53:18 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr

Yes, that is turbulence which is different than winds aloft but there can be some correlation.

Retired ATC here.


52 posted on 12/27/2021 2:02:20 PM PST by Jayster (Legalize Marijuana )
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To: Wilhelm Tell
At what flight level do you start to get really fast jet stream winds? 180 knots seems incredible. Is the jet stream faster over the ocean?

It can vary but polar jet streams are usually in the 20-40M foot altitudes, and the subtropic jet streams tend to be between 30M and 50M feet. So with most flights staying around 35M feet, they try to hit those when possible to improve fuel consumption.

You can use this site: http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/sounding.html to find airspeed (as well as other data) at various altitudes at any particular ground station. Pretty neat stuff I discovered in one of my aerospace engineering classes! We actually took several days' worth of data, and used some fancy matlab/mathematica programs to build graphs of average airspeed at various altitudes over DFW. If I can find it I'll post you a picture of what we compiled, if you want?
53 posted on 12/27/2021 2:03:26 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Jayster

ATC
My respects. That’s a stress job.


54 posted on 12/27/2021 5:03:38 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Svartalfiar

It sounds neat. And I guess going into the jet stream you try to stay below the fastest wind and then it is a tossup between the headwind and the denser atmosphere. I imagine there are all kinds of calculations for things. If you have a picture of your project, please post the image. It sounds interesting.


55 posted on 12/27/2021 5:52:44 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
You follow the jetstream. So planes flying the same direction will jump in it to use the boost, while planes flying against it will fly a more off-route to avoid it. If you look at flight times for two far apart east-west cities, notice one way is usually an hour or two longer than the same flight in the opposite direction.

And here you go, it's plotting a week of minimum/average/max windspeeds at altitudes up to 30Mm (10Mm is ~30M ft), over the FWD station.


56 posted on 12/28/2021 8:27:04 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: DUMBGRUNT; Fred Nerks

Mystery of Why Delta Air Flight to China Turned Back to Seattle More Than Half Way Through Flight>>>>>>>>>>>

Its quite simple.( Heavy Sarc.)

They discovered their cargo load was a collection of Hunter Biden’s paintings for which the Chinese Communists had paid over 2 Billion dollars to the Biden family mafia.

The quid pro quo was an exchange for Cheater Joe’s guarantee that the USA would stand down when Red China invades Taiwan.

When the pilots, both Trump supporters, discovered what cargo was on their air craft, they turned for home immediately.

While inspecting the cargo they also discovered the load of Hunter’s paintings included 200 Virginia Hams bound for Beijing, the dessicated corpse of Eric Swalwell’s Chinese House Maid that smelled of San Fran Nan’s medicinal street hashish, and a trash can with several pistols in it along with a couple of lap tops.

The plot against Taiwan thickens.Its time for Jamzu Bondo-OO7.

Meanwhile, new alternate shipping arrangements have been made for the cargo routed through Queensland , Australia.


57 posted on 12/29/2021 3:28:05 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Svartalfiar

That’s neat. I didn’t realize that there is so much wind under 20000 ft.


58 posted on 12/29/2021 4:27:53 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: gas_dr

Your job is also stressful.

As you know, everyone handles stress differently.

For me…. The busier it got, the quicker the day past and I liked it!


59 posted on 12/29/2021 2:33:37 PM PST by Jayster (Legalize Marijuana )
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