Posted on 12/19/2021 5:01:32 AM PST by MtnClimber
Admittedly, it takes quite a bit to raise my blood pressure, but this is one of those real-world issues that does it. There are a lot of really good people in upstate New York and outside the boundaries of that crazy city they are best known for. The New York state assembly passing a bill [A416 LINK HERE] to set up involuntary COVID quarantine camps needs to be stopped right now. This is nuts.
The bill is obtuse in the extreme, and grants the state permission to remove and detain someone defined as “a significant threat to public health.” Those of you who have watched the creation of Quarantine Camps in Australia, and those who noted the ongoing activity in Australia seems designed to be a beta test for the USA, will quickly see the common thread with this proposal in New York.
(Bill shown in Comment #1)
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Good grief, is there anything more anti-freedom than arbitrary power given to a governor and state bureaucracy that will enable the state to force people into detention camps.
The bill also says the government can, “require an individual who has been exposed to or infected by a contagious disease to complete an appropriate, prescribed course of treatment, preventive medication or vaccination.” That seems like this bill gives the state the right to detain anyone they want and forcibly vaccinate them.
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Darksheare wrote: “I note that you are studiously trying to avoid this. Please, read it and then try bull-——ng me on what it says.”
I’m not trying to BS you. Enforced quarantines are sometimes necessary when some refuse to voluntarily quarantine. I saw the same thing back in 2000 during the anthrax scare when some on FR insisted that they would decide when they needed to quarantine despite the risks to the general public. Your reaction to this demonstrates why this might be necessary.
So you would be okay with “quarantining” millions of Americans for many years to protect those who are vaccinated from catching a disease that the vaccine doesn’t prevent? Will these quarantine facilites have a cooler for those who get a little out of line?
cockroach_magoo wrote: “(Having noted that, only those who believe in central planning, i.e. statists / socialists, would actually think concentration camps are an idea worth implementing. Please refer to history.)”
Yes, do refer to history. Read upon Typhoid Mary who insisted her rights trumped societies meanwhile she infected many others and killed perhaps as many as 50. Mary insisted that she didn’t have typhoid, that typhoid didn’t exist, she refused to employ basic sanitation such as handwashing. After involuntary confinement Mary promised that she would no longer work as a cook. After she was released, she was determined to continue to work as a cook, changing jobs, changing names, to avoid authorities. She was finally stopped when she was confined until her death.
Convince me that Mary had the right to do as she did.
Japanese Americans too.
The Bill isn’t even out of Committee. How does “The National Pulse” which Sundance refers to know it’s going to clear committee? It’s not even scheduled for a floor vote.
What utter hack journalism. “The National Pulse” don’t even quote a source for it coming to a vote on 01/05.
What a tool Sundance is.
LukeL wrote: “So you would be okay with “quarantining” millions of Americans for many years to protect those who are vaccinated from catching a disease that the vaccine doesn’t prevent? Will these quarantine facilites have a cooler for those who get a little out of line?”
Hyperbolic BS! No one is talking about confining millions for their lack of vaccination. We are talking about confining a pitiful few who believe their rights trump the right of others in society refusing to voluntarily quarantine when they’ve been infected with the virus.
No vaccine is 100% effective so don’t waste my time with the anti-vaxxer narrative that the vaccines are worthless since they don’t prevent all diseases.
The injected are infected having infected each other and are not quarantining. You are illogical, which is why you embrace fascism like a Hitler youth at a torch rally.
As for vaccines not working all one has to do is get a titer test to see if they still have antibodies. There is a reason why things like mumps, measles, whooping cough, chicken pox, tetanus, and diptheria are virtually unheard of in the US and it is because those vaccines actually work.
I recently had my chicken pox titers checked and they are well above the number needed for immunity. I could spend all treating children with chickenpox and I would never get sick.
I see. You support this NY bill.
Typhoid Mary exemplifies the cost of freedom. But the cost of freedom pales in comparison to the cost of government subjugation.
I’ll take Typhoid Mary over Stalin.
It is a concentration camp.
You ARE trying to BS everyone.
And people can stay in their own homes!
You are full of crap.
The way the bill is written, it says ANY communicable disease.
Chicken pox?
Kid gets coxsackie?
You and your family are “getting the ride”.
It’s ny.
It is as good as passed unless someone grows a brain.
Welcome to NY.
“No vaccine is 100% effective”
Never before has a “vaccine” been SO ineffective that it doesn’t prevent 99% of infections.
Nor have we quarantined the unjabbed to protect the supposedly protected jabbed.
Measles mumps rubella shots tend to actually work, flu shots tend not to and we don’t lock down millions over it.
Keep up the propaganda Dug.
cockroach_magoo wrote: “I see. You support this NY bill.”
Never said that. I do support the right of society to develop and implement rules to prevent infectious disease. BTW, so do the courts.
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RS21414.pdf
Darksheare wrote: “The way the bill is written, it says ANY communicable disease. Chicken pox? Kid gets coxsackie? You and your family are “getting the ride”.”
You like hyperbole do you not. No one is saying that anyone with any communicable disease would be involuntarily quarantined so quit pretending otherwise.
[[Let’s be clear: this bill is antithetical to life, liberty, and property. ]]
I suspect that demo rats don’t even care if it is antithetical or not anymore. The whole,vaccine mandates violate constitutional rights. They don’t care znd make no apology and offer no explanation- they just go ahead and demand that peop.e get them or lose their right to life (denied health care) liberty and property and pursuit of happiness.
So do you.
Maybe stop with the propaganda, no?
Darksheare wrote: “Never before has a “vaccine” been SO ineffective that it doesn’t prevent 99% of infections.”
Do some research. “The Salk vaccine had been 60–70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio. Soon after Salk’s vaccine was licensed in 1955, children’s vaccination campaigns were launched.”
Darksheare wrote: “Nor have we quarantined the unjabbed to protect the supposedly protected jabbed.”
The issue isn’t blanket quarantines of the unvaccinated. The issue is quarantine of those known to be ill or exposed to the disease who refuse to voluntarily quarantine.
Especially for very contagious and life threatening disease. It’s very unlikely that covid would qualify.
Do you really think it would be practical to build concentration camps for the unvaccinated? Millions of them?
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