Over a cold? (which this is) No, absolutely not. You've gone full Karen.
Posted on 12/18/2021 11:37:08 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda
New York Legislation Provides for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor’s Whim.
On January 5th, 2022, the New York Senate and Assembly will vote on a bill that would, if passed into law, grant permissions to remove and detain cases, contacts, carriers, or anyone suspected of presenting a “significant threat to public health” and remove them from public life on an indefinite basis.
Bill A416 presents a serious risk to the basic liberties of all Americans in the state of New York, including their right to choose whether or not to receive medical treatment and vaccinations related to thus far undetermined contagious diseases.
The bill gives the Governor of New York, his or her delegates – including but not limited to the commissioner and heads of local health departments – the right to remove and detain any individuals or groups of people through issuing a single order. The orders only have to include the individual’s name(s) or “reasonably specific descriptions of the individuals or groups.”
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You do realize this place is called “FREE” republic right?
I would rather die free than resort to jailing my fellow citizens. I would rather die and my children die free persons than serfs.
I would fight like hell to get better and beat this illness, which I have now by the way. But I would never jail you or anyone else because I am sick.
And the euthanasia thing is your logic. You really think you can appropriate such “quarantine” power to a leftist and they won’t abuse it? I don’t think you have been paying very close attention.
FlipWilson wrote: “I would rather die free than resort to jailing my fellow citizens. I would rather die and my children die free persons than serfs.”
So, you don’t believe that society has the right to involuntarily quarantine people to protect others from wide infections/illnesses/deaths? I suppose you feel you have the right to ignore traffic regulations and drive as you see fit regardless of the accidents/injuries/deaths that might cause?
Oh good grief. The Bill isn’t even out of Committee. How does “The National Pulse” know it’s going to clear committee? It’s not even scheduled for a floor vote.
What utter hack journalism. They don’t even quote a source for it coming to a vote on 01/05.
Amazing that people don’t question what they read more.
There you go again with false equivalence.
Regular one-trick pony.i mean ass.
Quote: “So, you don’t believe that society has the right to involuntarily quarantine people to protect others from wide infections/illnesses/deaths? I suppose you feel you have the right to ignore traffic regulations and drive as you see fit regardless of the accidents/injuries/deaths that might cause?”
You are really stretching it here. You are mixing violation of a criminal law with policy being made not by a legislative body, but delegated to the whim of ONE, UNO person. Yes, the legislature is giving the governor that power, but in doing so they are abdicating their legislative function. Each emergency should require cooperation with the legislature.
PA just passed a constitutional amendment requiring such cooperation. Lord help NYS, there will always be an emergency and there will always be a dictator. The NYS dems are happy with that as long as they get their payola. They aren’t interested in checks and balances, they just want to be in charge. Being elected to the legislature will become a paid vacation.
Under the proposed statute one can be involuntarily detained (we used to call that jailed) if “clear and convincing evidence” is shown to a panel. Per your question/example, a speeding ticket requires that the state prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” that I am guilty in a court of law. One then can appeal that ruling and if adverse, appeal again. There is no appeal here. There is nothing but one person deciding it is for your own good and off to ze camps. Arbeit Macht Frei!!!
You still haven’t answered my question or anyone else’s for that matter. I understand, you are afraid of the virus. Fear makes one turn to all sorts of means for quelling it. Totalitarianism is an easy place to turn. But the question on the table to you, in one form or another is this:
What makes you think delegating this kind of authority in the name of “public health” is a great idea?
Hey, during WWII, quarantining all Japanese Americans in the name of “public safety” seemed like a great idea. It wasn’t. Why can’t you see that “public health” is as easily fungible as “hate speech” when it comes to enforcing a law.
Hate speech=anything the left hates.
Public Health= anything the left hates and can now term as a threat to, wait for it, public health.
Gun violence=quarantine gun owners or, more probably, their guns.
With all due respect, I have reviewed your posts and have to conclude you are likely not a conservative. Anyone who witnessed the abuses of power by Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy and every other dem governor during this and would advocate that they be given MORE power, is a leftist.
And on that note, could one not say that the elderly were “involuntarily quarantined” in nursing homes during 2020 in the name of “public health?’ How did that work out? I’d say we could ask some of the elderly but I am not in the mood for a seance.
Quote: “Oh good grief. The Bill isn’t even out of Committee. How does “The National Pulse” know it’s going to clear committee? It’s not even scheduled for a floor vote.”
I see what you are saying and agree. But the author is right from the standpoint that more and more of this radical stuff is making it to the floor. Bail reform at one point was laughed at as something that would never happen. Letting criminals out of jail the same day the commit the crimes? They are kidding, right? Turns out that they weren’t.
From that standpoint, I see why he wrote this. But it still doesn’t make it true and there is no real reporting on the wider support that the bill may or may not have.
Stating the obvious, I think that they do this just to give some fundraising arm or campaign arm as story to cite to grab a few bucks.
Over a cold? (which this is) No, absolutely not. You've gone full Karen.
I believe that bail reform can be a strong issue for Republicans in 2022. Run short ads which show a perp (e.g. John Doe), discuss how he re-offended once released (e.g. assault), and note the victim (e.g. general info such as 50 y.o. female) and link it to Kathy Hochul.
Something along the lines of:
"John Doe was released after arrest for burglary. Kathy Hochul supported his release.
While out on bail, he assaulted a 50 year old female
Kathy Hochul supported Doe's release after re-arrest.
Kathy Hochul - she cares more about release of criminals than your safety."
Sirius Lee wrote: “Over a cold? (which this is) No, absolutely not.”
My question has nothing to do with COVID. It was a general question.
FlipWilson wrote: “Hey, during WWII, quarantining all Japanese Americans in the name of “public safety” seemed like a great idea.”
This did not apply to al Japanese only those living in a very small defined area along the Pacific coast. Those affected were given the choice of moving out of the area or to a camp. This was not justified on the basis of public safety but as a means to prevent warlike activities by those affected.
FlipWilson wrote: “Under the proposed statute one can be involuntarily detained (we used to call that jailed) if “clear and convincing evidence” is shown to a panel. Per your question/example, a speeding ticket requires that the state prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” that I am guilty in a court of law. One then can appeal that ruling and if adverse, appeal again. There is no appeal here. There is nothing but one person deciding it is for your own good and off to ze camps. Arbeit Macht Frei!!!”
Anyone who invokes a Nazi metaphor is losing the discussion.
That’s a very poor analogy. Quarantine to prevent infection requires action now, not after an indefinite number of appeals. Now if you want to allow quarantine while the appeal process plays out, that’s another thing but I doubt that is what you wish.
FWIW, I’m not afraid of the virus. This unconditional opposition to vaccines and other public health measures if far more concerning.
Your dodging questions and only advancing rhetoric at this point. I have answered your question honestly and without an ambiguity. You have been asked questions repeatedly and don’t answer them. Instead you just quibble. But to your quibbling:
Your assertion about the quarantine of the Japanese Americans is wrong and playing semantics. I have read numerous books about the subject and public safety was the justification. Your assertion? It wasn’t public safety but a means to prevent warlike activities. Really, preventing warlike activities isn’t a matter of public safety. Oh, Ok. Its ta maaat toe, not tow may tow.
Next up on the hit list, you fail to address this point:
Under the proposed statute one can be involuntarily detained (we used to call that jailed) if “clear and convincing evidence” is shown to a panel. Per your question/example, a speeding ticket requires that the state prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” that I am guilty in a court of law. One then can appeal that ruling and if adverse, appeal again. There is no appeal here. There is nothing but one person deciding it is for your own good.
You fail to address that because I threw in a Nazi reference. Can you please address it?
Again, you are dodging. But seriously, I realize the Nazi references are overdone. I mean, “everything I don’t like is HItler” is a favorite of the Left. But, in this case, camps, quarantine, public health. You don’t think it might actually fit. No?
You have been asked this question in one form or another and failed to answer, repeatedly:
Given the abuses of power we saw with Whitmer, Murphy, Cuomo, etc. do you really think it is a good idea to trust them with the power to declare a public health emergency and place people into camps?
What is to stop them from declaring gun owernship a public health emergency? You do realize that they are already saying that out loud?
As for losing the discussion. I can do this with someone like you all day and night. I love taking victory laps. Anyone who puts forth a position, is answered but refuses to answer counterpoints isn’t interested in intellectual discussion.
Again, I have answered your question clearly and unambiguously. You have answered mine by playing semantics and using one reference to discount having to deal with counterpoints.
My point about the Japanese Americans and the justifications given at the time for quarantining them. 100% accurate. My point about law and the burden of proof to establish a violation. 100% accurate. My question to you: 100% legitimate.
Your response to any of that: 100% missing in action.
How many jabs to establish immunity? Polio, Small Pox, Tetanus only need one.
Question. You get jabbed three times. Assuming you don't stroke out, or go into cardiac arrest, you can still get Covid. You then claim, "well, it wasn't as bad..."
How do you know? Because a F%CKING DEMOCRAT SAID SO? The same one who says Russia stole the White House from Hillary?
Jebus H. bald headed, blue eyed, beardless KeeRIST!!! Are you that credulous? How many have to be killed by illegally mandated Communist government jabs before you are willing to say, "Wait..."
DugwayDuke Wrote: “”So you believe the ‘Typhoid Mary’s’ have the right to cause multiple illnesses and deaths?””
jonascord wrote: “How many jabs to establish immunity? Polio, Small Pox, Tetanus only need one.”
Completely irrelevant to my question.
jonascord wrote: “Question. You get jabbed three times. Assuming you don’t stroke out, or go into cardiac arrest, you can still get Covid. You then claim, “well, it wasn’t as bad...””
You could still get polio, small pox, tetanus after vaccination.
Uhm, no. You won't. I know lying is SOP when leftist slime are losing arguments, but, you might want to do some study before you step on your schwanzstucker.
Small Pox is approaching zero cases, world wide. Children are no longer getting automatic vaccinations.
You want to kill us, using bioweapons. Deny it.
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