Posted on 12/16/2021 5:52:20 PM PST by RandFan
@RepThomasMassie
Has secession ever succeeded?
One of my freshmen classmates at MIT (from Bronx Science, NYC) didn’t know West Virginia was a state - he thought it was just a region of Virginia.
Most people know it’s a state, but few know it seceded from VA. It’s a story that’s not often told.
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Maybe fining or expelling states that won’t honor the Constitution would be better than leaving them in charge.
That’s all well and good, I just wish someone explains how this takes place. Majority vote of both branches of state legislature and Gov. signature, like legislation?
The Constitution says that states can’t be formed from other states.
West Virginia only happened because of the Civil War.
“Axlan” or something close, a large area over to and including California, has always been claimed by Mexico. I’ve seen posters of “Viva Axlan” in parades in LA. I think if we falter, Mexico would claim/reclaim large tracks of land including parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and I think at least the southern 2/3rds of California. Russia may claim/reclaim Alaska.
I don’t think Canada will give us any trouble.
What General Sherman was involved in was not secession, it was an armed rebellion. The CSA attempted to overthrow the legitimate government of the USA.
Absolutely. The Revolutionary War was not a revolution, but a war of secession. Similarly, the American Civil Was was not a civil war, but a war of secession.
“I don’t think Canada will give us any trouble.”
We might grab Point Roberts WA. If they let us.
> The CSA attempted to overthrow the legitimate government of the USA. <
Not really. The CSA had no interest in removing Lincoln and taking over the entire country. The CSA simply wanted to leave.
By the way, I make no judgement on the legitimacy or the morality of the CSA’s actions. I am instead merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the United States in this regard. We tell every other nation to allow self-determination. But we prohibit it in our own country.
Insights?
POLITICAL secession is a fools errand. CULTURAL divorce on the other hand is something we should all be pursuing. The amount of time, effort, and likely blood to achieve political secession makes it completely not worth it. And why the hell should we be in the position of advocating sediitiion? It’s OUR country!
We have it completely within our power to divorce ourselves from leftist culture. Living in deep blue woke-istan? No problem! You can book a Uhaul 24/7 online. Schools suck? Homeschool. Think masks and vaccines are idiotic? No problem: come join us in America and ignore Brandon and his minions.
What I think people fail to realize is that tyranny is really a choice. Tyrants don’t get their power from consent, they get it from obedience.
“The CSA attempted to overthrow the legitimate government of the USA.”
No it didn’t...it just wanted out of much the same BS Union government’s control that we so loathe today.
West Virginia doesn’t legally exist.
“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”
Art. IV, Sec. 3
No they didn’t. They simply lawfully and constitutionally left the US. What Sherman was involved in - apart from numerous war crimes - was Lincoln’s unconstitutional war of aggression to impose a government’s rule upon people without their consent.
“I read on here all the time that Texas is going to secede but nobody really seems to have an explanation how it’s actually going to happen. Especially since only a trivial percentage of elected officials there seem to be promoting it.”
While it is nice to dream of, it is literally impossible for a state like Texas to secede, unless one of two conditions are met:
1. Our masters in D.C. agree to it (which they won’t).
2. We get allies, maybe Mexico, to support us.
Short of that, the feds will have NO PROBLEM in bringing Texas to their knees, if they choose to. This is NOT 1861, after all.
I like your hypocrisy argument Leaning Right as it is the truth.
Do you foresee a re-organization of the states at some point?
Perhaps when the monstrosity of the FED gov’t admits it’s broke and cannot service the debt something will have to give.
Could be interesting.
Personally I’m all for it. I think the UN requires referendums...
> Do you foresee a re-organization of the states at some point? <
I hesitate to answer because years ago a friend asked me if the Soviet Union would ever break up. “No”, I answered, “I think not. The Soviet military would never permit such a thing.”
I’m actually quite good at things like solving physics problems. But when it comes to predicting major political events, I’m evidently not as good.
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The North American Colonies successfully seceded from Great Britain...
Triple’s post not really worth triple posting ...
good point
Soft secession. We’ll just ignore the federal gov like California did under President Trump. We are already doing so on a number of issues.
The break-up of the USSR (and of earlier empires) was also pretty complicated. What was a secession and what was a recognition that the regime was crumbling wasn't clear. Russia, Georgia, Ukraine and the other successor states have resisted breakaway secessionist movements in the years since then.
Norway did pressure Sweden into letting them go, but I think they managed to resolve the situation without a formal declaration of secession by Norway.
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