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Natural Immunity More Protective Over Time Than COVID-19 Vaccination: Study from Israel
Epoch Times ^ | 12/10/2021 | Zachary Steiber

Posted on 12/10/2021 10:19:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Immunity people enjoy after recovering from COVID-19 is better than the protection bestowed from vaccination, according to a new study from Israel.

Researchers analyzing data from the county’s health database from August to September found both COVID-19 infections and severe disease were higher among the vaccinated than those who recovered from the illness, also known as people with natural immunity.

For instance, the naturally immune had a 10.5 per 100,000 infection rate four to six months following their recovery, versus a 69.2 per 100,000 rate among the vaccinated.

The number of severe cases was also higher among the vaccinated: 0.9 percent of all cases among that group were severe, compared with 0.5 percent of cases among the recovered.

Researchers found that protection against infection dropped over time among both the recovered and vaccinated, but the drop was more pronounced among the vaccinated.

They also studied two other cohorts: people with natural immunity who later got a vaccine, and people who got a vaccine and later recovered from an infection.

Case rates were low in both those groups. They were the lowest by a small number in the naturally immune who got a jab.

“We found that protection against the Delta variant wanes over time for both vaccinated and previously infected individuals and that an additional dose restores protection,” Yair Goldberg, an associate professor at the Israel Institute of Technology who led the pre-print study (pdf), told The Epoch Times in an email.

The study analyzed the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, the one most used in Israel.

COVID-19 is the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.

Limitations of the study included having longer-term data for the recovered versus the other groups; an undetermined number of vaccinated people not being diagnosed as naturally immune; and possible detection bias because the naturally immune are less likely to get tested than the vaccinated.

Protection Holds Up Over Time

Immunity can be measured through antibodies, which primarily protect against infection, or through T cells and B cells, which primarily protect against severe disease.

“Those immune cells don’t go away over time,” Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, a professor at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told The Epoch Times in an email.

Though the levels of antibodies go down in both the naturally immune and vaccinated as time elapses since recovery or getting a shot, both groups enjoy long-lasting protection against severe disease or death.

People who are immune have a 90 percent lower risk of severe disease, according to recent research from Qatar.

The naturally immune, though, are better protected against both infection and severe disease, according to a large body of research that includes the latest study from Israel.

“If you had COVID before and recovered, all the data that we’re looking at will suggest that you have bulletproof natural immunity, which is much more robust and comprehensive than vaccine immunity,” Dr. Paul Alexander, an epidemiologist with the Early COVID Care Experts who has compiled 141 studies on natural immunity—including a major study from Israel published in August—told The Epoch Times.

The Question

The question that divides the scientific community is whether people with natural immunity should get vaccinated.

Those who do are described as having “hybrid immunity.”

Top U.S. health officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, and some scientists have encouraged vaccination among the naturally immune.

They point to studies indicating people with hybrid immunity have the highest level of protection, at least against infection.

“The hybrid immunity of people who have survived their initial infection and then get vaccinated—they have stronger protection than anybody,” Dr. David Boulware, an infectious disease physician and scientist with the University of Minnesota Medical School, told The Epoch Times.

The Israeli researchers also suggest a dose for the naturally immune, but not everybody is on board.

“There is little benefit from getting vaccinated after recovery from COVID,” Dr. Harvey Risch, an epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health, told The Epoch Times in an email.

Alexander noted that some studies indicate giving recovered patients a vaccine can lead to a higher rate of adverse events and that such events reported to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is higher than other vaccines.

Boulware says a way to minimize potential events is for the recovered not to get a vaccine for at least six months after recovery.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; naturalimmunity; vaccination

1 posted on 12/10/2021 10:19:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The real mystery is why anyone with even the slightest familiarization with viral infections would expect anything different from these results. Which is why natural immunity is considered to be as valid as being immunized with the experimental vaccines in every country in the world where common sense prevails.


2 posted on 12/11/2021 1:15:49 AM PST by fireman15
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 12/11/2021 5:25:08 AM PST by moovova
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To: fireman15

No kidding. My daughter went to a new doctor the other day, the first sign of pending insanity was when the doctor was too stupid to know her gender and introduced herself with her pronouns.

My daughter decided right then that this would be the last time they met.

Then the “doctor” proceeded to plead with my daughter to the shot. She had covid a couple months ago and refused because she knows she has complete natural immunity.

When I got it, I was actually a bit excited because I knew I didn;t have to pay attention anymore to the lunacy.


4 posted on 12/11/2021 6:05:16 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: cyclotic

My wife’s sister and her husband came up to visit last summer. They were both hacking around and appeared a bit under the weather but told us we were safe because they had been fully vaccinated. Neither of them has any real sense of personal boundaries or practice good hygiene. Shortly after they left, we both came down with symptoms that seemed similar to those associated with Covid; the illness persisted for about two weeks. I assume that we had Covid; we did not bother to go to the doctor because we had no symptoms that were any worse than a normal flu, it just lasted a little longer. We did not get tested because I had no desire to contribute to the statistics that are being used by authorities in our state to contribute to the mass hysteria dominating our local news.

My brother has been an airline captain for a major airline. Shortly after he got his second Pfizer he failed his FAA physical because his heart was enlarged and inflamed. He was told that he likely had permanent damage and it appeared that his career had been ended prematurely. He knows other pilots who have experienced the same “rare” problem and have been grounded as well. Although it hasn’t made the news that I am aware of his airline suffered from a shortage of pilots at least partially because of pilots coming down with this “rare” condition.

The cause of the difficulty is now becoming so obvious that something that normally would end a pilot’s career is now being revisited. My brother was encouraged to get this looked into further by specific specialists working with specific “flight surgeons” (the doctors who do flight physicals for the FAA). Almost magically after being told repeatedly that he would never fly again he is now back in the cockpit. Of course, he is one of the lucky ones... there was a huge increase in pilots dying from cardiac problems in 2021. This will come out eventually but is being actively suppressed at this time.

Every commercial airline pilot gets a medical exam every 6 months from an FAA flight examiner. Looking for any sign of heart disease is one of their top priorities. These are not people with hidden preexisting conditions. And like my brother most pilots are extremely health conscious and make exercise and diet one of their top priorities so that their extremely lucrative careers will not be cut short.


5 posted on 12/11/2021 7:41:05 AM PST by fireman15
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