Posted on 11/29/2021 9:06:09 AM PST by Red Badger
ORANGE CITY — A pregnant librarian was killed in a road rage incident after she instigated a fight with a motorcyclist, police said.
Orange City police said 35-year-old Sara Morales was shot outside her home following an argument with another motorist. Police said Morales intentionally hit the motorcycle Saturday and then fled the scene. Authorities said the motorcyclist and a witness followed her, trying to get her to stop.
The motorcyclist told police they called police while following the librarian back to her home.
According to police, Morales went inside, returned with a gun and a confrontation occurred in the road. The motorcyclist allegedly shot Morales multiple times. The pregnant woman and mother of an 11-year-old was pronounced dead at the hospital, Fox 35 Orlando reported.
Police said the motorcyclist has a concealed weapons permit, remained at the scene and has been cooperating with investigators.
The investigation is ongoing. No charges have been filed.
I have no idea what any of that means in regards to this event.
Webheart, was she visibly pregnant?
Would it make a difference in your thinking?
At least you admit your own bias.
Having nearly any kind of collision while riding a motorbike is not a minor thing.
Especially if it perceived to be (and in this case, it was by both the rider and more than one observer) intentional, that is basically assault with a deadly weapon, the weapon being a 2000 lb. automobile. (and yes, when a car is used as a weapon to collide with or run someone over, it is considered “assault with a deadly weapon”. In real legal terms everywhere, that is true to my knowledge)
If the guy reacted with hot blood to an intentional collision which can result in death or severe injury to the rider of a motorcycle (even at very low speeds) I cannot say I can blame him.
He was certainly within his rights to follow her to wherever she was going, even if he did have the alternative of reading the plate and reporting it.
How does he know the car is hers, that it isn’t stolen, that she isn’t an illegal who will disappear, etc? He doesn’t, just like if she was two months pregnant, he wouldn’t know that she is pregnant either.
I think we can all agree there was enough hot blood and stupidity to go around, and that she should have considered all that as he should have as well. But she paid the price for it.
You’re making me cry.
100%. You are absolutely correct.
I was at a demonstration in a blue state some years ago, and carried for personal protection, and got singled out by the Leftists for some reason, and they sent a guy over to harass me.
He was in my face to the point I really wanted to slug him. When I say “in my face” he was about a foot in front of me between me and the stage where Sarah Palin was speaking. When I moved, he moved. I said multiple times (measured and polite) “Look, I am here to see the speaker. I am not interested in having a discussion with you.”
But, I am a hot tempered guy, perhaps I gave that away in some fashion and that is why they picked me out, but he was clearly trying to provoke a physical altercation. I looked over, and saw about ten people (who were with him) videoing me and their buddy continually.
Finally, people around who didn’t know who I was started saying to the guy “Hey, he doesn’t want to talk to you. Why don’t you go somewhere else?” and eventually, after about ten minutes of this, the guy left.
Point is, I am a bit of a hot head, but the whole time, even though I really wished I could have hauled off and slugged him...I forced myself to keep my composure.
Because I was carrying, it was foremost in my mind that I had to be the adult in the room. I couldn’t afford to let things get to the point we might have been rolling around on the ground. Anything can happen at that point.
Right. I suspect (and it smells a bit of this) that they put that in there because it would make her a sympathetic figure for an anti-gun/anti-male template.
If she was visibly pregnant, I already admitted in a post above I would likely have been dead meat if she pulled the trigger. I would have a tough time being proactive.
I suspect I am not alone in this.
If he had a red cape and a big “S” on his chest, he could out run/dodge a speeding bullet. But that wasn’t the case here. She brought a gun into a confrontation. Now if she survived but her baby died because of her recklessness, now that’d be an interesting case. Would/could she be charged with homicide of her baby?
Not to belabor the point, webheart, but a tiny little KIA can kill you just as dead as an Escalade, walking, riding a bike, riding a motorcycle, or even another car. (I believe they are about 3000 lbs)
My brother used to ride a motorcycle, and had a car come up behind him and run into him at a very low speed, barely moving.
While the bike was not damaged other than cosmetically, he ended up on the front of the motorcycle then on the pavement. I recall that while he was able to ride away, he was sore for some time after.
It isn’t a small thing.
“Sounds” like a clean kill...
However, if she is a person of color, the motorcyclist is in big trouble...
She chose poorly. RIP.
The hit and run suspect only paid the price, when she decided to take a gun into the street and attempt to kill someone.
There is really not much to discuss here.
I agree there. It should be open and shut. But as the Rittenhouse charges and trial showed us, it rarely is in this upside down country we inhabit.
Crazy. I sometimes wonder how we got here. Intellectually I know, but...this just seems so insane that a person cannot defend themselves.
Which is, after all, the goal of the Left.
A previous article said that the autopsy was indetermanent as to whether she was pregnant or not.
If she was pregnant, is was so early that it was impossible to determine.
Curious if they allow lane splitting like here in California.
Was he doing it, did he get in her blind spot?
I have no experience with Florida Motorcycle Man, but not quite 10 years ago my son & daughter-in-law were moving out of California. She and my son were in her car behind her father and me (driving the Penske) on the freeway east of LA doing 70+. All of a sudden she zoomed by and disappeared off in the distance. Being in the age of cell phones we heard her say, “A motorcycle hit me.” She was following the cyclist to get his licence number, but was not successful. Her car dates back to steel bumpers and still has a large dent where the cyclist banged into her vehicle. How he survived doing that in traffic, I don’t know, but the physics of high speed rotating wheels must be such that it kept him upright.
I suspect what if anything the Florida Man did to rile up the hot tempered lady will never be known. It is not likely that the witnesses would have observed that. The investigators need to examine the rear of her car.
Woman cuts off biker.
Biker yells at woman.
Woman side swipes biker.
Biker and 2 other motorist follow woman home.
Biker and witnesses call cops.
Woman exits car, yelling, why are you following me?
Woman runs in house.
Woman exits house, gun in hand, points gun at biker and witnesses.
Biker shoots woman.
When men are the aggressor and their adrenaline is pumping a woman no matter how skilled is in danger. Woke fools may not want to hear this, but a testosterone loaded, adrenaline drive man will beat a woman's ass nearly every time. Those few rare occasions when a woman kicks a man's ass makes the headlines, but they are rare.
Road rage is one of those things it is best to avoid for men and women. There are so many unknown variables. Around here we do not see a lot of road rage, but go to some of the larger cities in the State and the Karen's are everywhere.
I only disagree with you on one point. Even a trained woman against an untrained man is at a disadvantage if there are no rules. A trained female Kick boxer, MMA fighter or BJJ fighter has an advantage if the man does not expect them to fight back. They had better choke them out or knock them out before the initial surprise wears off because at that point they are in danger against even an untrained male.
An untrained male who has no fear, is willing to fight anyone and only gets more violent if you hurt him, will destroy even a trained female. It is a mental state fueled by testosterone and adrenaline. We have thicker necks, heavy brows and stronger jaws. We have a stout bone structure and while women have a capacity to absorb pain, we are designed to take more punishment. We were designed to take blows that women are not. Oops that would mean men and women are really different!.
A willingness to fight back and be just as vicious as your attacker is a feral instinct. If a person lacks that feral instinct, trained or not, they are at a disadvantage when there are no rules. Does not matter if they are male or female.
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