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To: blueplum

I was watching a doc on the development of England.

I’m thinking why did England, this cold bitter island way up and away from Rome, become the most powerful country in the world?

You see the Romans, then much later the Saxons, then the Vikings, then the Saxons again, and the Vikings again, and the Scots and the Irish kinda stay out of it.

I guess it’s the kind of barbaric type A people that conquered and reconquered her.

Then the tens of thousands of people hanged, drawn and quartered, noblemen and women beheaded.

IN SUMMARY, what the hell were the Romans doing up there, catching fish?


10 posted on 11/25/2021 2:12:50 AM PST by nikos1121 (It was a really super cold, dark and windy night.)
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To: nikos1121

The same reason they fought the Parthians bitterly over some sand piles, I guess.

Plus there was tin in Britain. IIRC.


11 posted on 11/25/2021 2:22:31 AM PST by Adder (Proud member of the FJB/LGB community.)
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To: nikos1121

England is awful. I won’t even go visit. Who’d go there and try and keep it?


13 posted on 11/25/2021 3:00:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (I feel like it is 1937 Germany, and my last name is Feinberg.)
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To: nikos1121

England was the source of tin from the early bronze age. The phoenicians sent there ships there. Britian was on the map.


16 posted on 11/25/2021 6:48:02 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: nikos1121

Even after the romans left britian, the trading ships from byzantium still came to their ports regularly. For the tin.


18 posted on 11/25/2021 7:04:35 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: nikos1121
"IN SUMMARY, what the hell were the Romans doing up there, catching fish?"

Tin and lead.

23 posted on 11/25/2021 12:05:11 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: nikos1121
tin, lead, lumber, grain, salt, gypsum alabaster (what roman and greek statues are made of), livestock/fish, and slaves

Vikings would take blond and redhead English slaves south to sell and finance a career as mercenaries or traders. They were well-known to the Greeks and were called Varangians in the Byzantine era. From the goods taken south to trade, Rome got a good idea of the wealth of resources in England - to Rome, England was their 'new world'. Expansion of the Roman Empire in a crowded Mediterranean was limited, and the only power controlling the assets of the North were the Vikings. And why should the Vikings control it all? So off they went to England, kicked the Vikings out, and began exploiting resources and manpower while collecting tribunes from the tribal leaders.

“Some Scandinavian laws prohibited inheritance for those who had dwelled in Greece, because it was so lucrative.”
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Vikings-have-anything-to-do-with-the-Greeks

25 posted on 11/27/2021 9:26:33 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: nikos1121

For a good summary, read Dickens’ “A Child’s History of England”...............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Child‘s_History_of_England


26 posted on 11/29/2021 5:51:02 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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