Posted on 11/24/2021 12:45:27 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Forget James Bond’s gadgets, the supercars of “Fast and Furious” or “Dune”’s stunning landscapes — when it comes to box office smash hits, China’s Communist Party has nailed it this year.
“The Battle at Lake Changjin,” a 176-minute epic starring Chinese actor Wu Jing, isn’t only the highest-grossing film worldwide so far in 2021 but has become China’s biggest film ever — toppling 2017’s “Wolf Warrior 2,” which also stars Wu — according to ticketing platform Maoyan Entertainment. The movie was commissioned by the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China, otherwise known as the propaganda department.
The film tells the story of how People’s Volunteer Army (PVA) troops entered North Korea and valiantly defeated the Americans mid-last century.
Since its September 30 release during China’s National Day, it has raked in a hefty $891 million, including presale tickets, according to Maoyan.
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Yeah, the US Pacific Fleet Admirals, and the first Marine division would’ve never thought of the idea of conducting an amphibious landing. /s But lets all pretend that was MacArthurs idea.
With respect, you have limited knowledge, as per family members who both served with and for the General. Perhaps a read of William Manchester’s American Caesar (again, with respect) would fill in many incorrect and re-written Truman falsehoods.
Honestly, I don’t have that much value for Manchesters work. MacArthur was perfect for exactly one task which he was masterful at. That was the occupation of Japan.
But as far as executing campaigns, he wasted resources on vanity projects and lengthened the war. In Korea his handling of things is what allowed the disaster when we approached the Yalu.
In the field he was not competent, that’s why he was not used in Europe.
Roosevelt was unable to dump him politically, so they gave him a front in the pacific to occupy him.
That said, the men who served under him were too often forgotten heroes. They deserved better.
MacArthur chose Inchon over the objections of the Navy who had other sites in mind. The attack succeeded. The others might not have. I’m not saying MacArthur was right about everything. He was wrong about a lot of things. So was Truman. He was vain and arrogant. So were the generals who fought in Europe. I’m just saying Inchon was a success and he deserves some credit for it.
MacArthur WAS ordered off Corregidor— by FDR (and speaking as someone who cannot stand FDR in any context, that is tough to say). Also, as regards family who knew that FDR set up the Pearl Harbor “surprise” inasmuch as they were on war patrol in October of 1941 with “weapons free” orders against any— any Japanese ships.
Halberstam? riiight. Great uncle knew Manchester and MacArthur, supported MacArthur politically and knew all about Truman’s leftover FDR commies in the WH, and that Truman should have stayed in haberdashery. Alas, he was useful in delivering MO for FDR, who was a basket case and ill for many years. Manchester was quite thorough on Mac’s personage, faults and leadership. Have no need to re-read a signed edition from William Manchester.
Just take a look of the area of the world which the Commander in Chief Allied Forces SW Pacific Theater shared with the Commander in Chief Pacific Fleet & Pacific Ocean Areas and successfully prosecuted victory over the Japanese Empire, and then consider that Admiral Nimitz and MacArthur worked closely together, and Nimitz had a signed photograph of MacArthur on his desk. Their command is incomparable to any other in history, to date, and their success in saving Allied lives as much as possible against a fanatic pagan enemy.
Thank you and you are entitled to your opinion based upon information you perceive as facts.
Share in common the opinion you express of Custer who was kicked in the a@@ by Gen. Longstreet prior to Appomattox (one of our family was present when the little banty rooster Custer demanded Longstreet’s sword for the surrender of the Army of N. Virginia. But then, Custer was fighting superior natural cavalry forces in the Plains Indians, and was a glory seeking fool who failed many times prior Little Bighorn to reconnoiter properly. The much more observant Benteen rescued Reno and saved what was left of Custer’s command or they would all have been wiped out. Custer exhibiting a very real palpable result of a true preening vain glorius martinet- incredible foolishness.
All very fine opinions, respectfully. Both right and wrong. We remain FRiends nevertheless agreeing to disagree, and to value sources.
Meanwhile China long ago bought up Hollywood, which has been spewing pro-China, weak America crap (with apparently more than a bit of truth to it).
Want to see a full on Chi-Com financed bunch of new worldism bullcrap, paid for in Hollywood by the chi-com “owners”?
Checkout the idiotic “Great Wall” and the hugely annoying oh-so-PC pseudo sci-fi “Downsizing” both starring the ever so Chi-Commie Matt Damon— a truly PC moron of the first order.
How they are tying themselves in knots working for their chinee masters— and they have long ago lost whatever professional ethics (if they ever had them) .. they ‘had’.
Don’t forget the likes of “Mulan” and “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” as well.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. As far as MacArthur being ordered to leave Corregidor, an officer of his experience, particularly regarding the South Pacific, should have easily recognized that such a mission was impossible. Had I been in his position, I would have politely told whoever sent that order that I was unable to follow it since it would mean abandoning the men who had been fighting under my command for months under almost unbelievable hardships.
No individual is so indispensable that a war cannot be successfully fought without his particular talents, except of course in his own mind. From everything I’ve read about him, MacArthur was convinced that he actually was that man.
It is a matter of historical verified fact, FRiend. There is NO doubt he was ordered, and was transported to Australia with his entire family. Submarine operational records verifies this, as does the National Archives and WWII well researched and documented records. The order came from FDR direct to MacArthur and Nimitz. This is beyond question
What a nice try “posturing and virtue signalling: “I would have told whoever sent that order....yadda, horsehockey. Number one— without any need to query- certainly not at the leadership level at that time in the Pacific Theater to have ever received an order of this magnitude. It was NOT in MacArthur’s mind. God, what facile sophistry and armchair twaddle.
Absolutely true— and which is why it was prudent policy to preserve the structure and culture of the Japanese nation post WWII. The Kuomintang (Chiang Kai Chec) was the opposition to Mao’s Communists.
The Communist “allies” who fought Japanese alongside— always did so with an eye to the post war strategic gains (much as Stalin did with the Post War European states Soviets took over, from the Allies who gave it all up at Yalta
The Kuomintang were losing (and Mao’s “partnership” made sure lots of them were wiped out by Japanese— he was one SOB murdering psychopath)—and without US intervention and management— and yes interfacing with elements of the Jap Imperialist remnant leadership (and the Yakuza, too- yikes!) kept Japan clear of the Chi-Coms who got rid of all sorts of large numbers of male chinese by putting them in Korea and Mongolia and Soviet border wars in Sino-Soviet border areas. As well as in Vietnam the proxy “civil” war between Soviets and Chi-Coms. The Soviets one that one, and Vietnam tho commie, still hates the chi-coms.
I wasn’t disputing that MacArthur was ordered by FDR to leave Corregidor; as you pointed out, it’s verifiable through many sources. What I’m disputing is his judgement in following that order, rather than face the fact that he was partially to blame for the condition the American troops found themselves in. To abandon the field of battle knowing what the men who had fought under you were probably about to go through strikes me as an excuse to save himself from suffering that same fate.
So, despite the fact that you believe my opinion is “virtue signaling and armchair twaddle” I have to ask, what would you have done? Would you have left those thousands of men behind as you were whisked off to safety? Personally, I would have let the PT boat arrive, loaded it up with my wife and son as well as all the younger female nurses it could carry and send it back to the waiting submarine. I couldn’t live with myself having left my men behind to the forces who had raped Nanking or performed the atrocities at St. Stephen’s Hospital in Hong Kong after they had defeated the British. I cannot believe that many officers in command positions like MacArthur was would have felt any different than I do.
A non-professional armchair view of the “right thing to do” is NOT the basis of greater more informed leadership (including Nimitz, btw) and General Marshall (you cannot leave this chieftain out of the planning and decision). A military decision to withdraw from the front and not be taken by Jap Empire (see how the Fillipinos feel about MacArthur, even to this day, from the memory of how the Japs treated them). Nobody “abandoned the field of battle”— ridiculous summary, and incidentally Wainwright’s memoirs cover this in detail. General Wainwright who had to surrender to Gen. Homma-— who organized the Death March to Bataan, and who was tried and hanged as a war criminal. We do not forget these things. Frankly, it tore MacArthur up to do so (and his family were in the tunnels of Corregidor), and recommitted him to return and wipe these SOBs out. The enemy was KNOWN already for what was facing the Philipines.
Armchairs are easy chairs in retrospect vs. in person battlefield decisions.
It was the correct military and strategic action- one which MacArthur was in personal conflict about for weeks, and finally was prepared to remain and die there, except for what followed, when Marshall finally woke up (and not for the last time- see: Pearl Harbor as the “prince” was out horseback riding, and clueless perhaps politically). All documented. It is very noble for an emotional decision to stay and die with one’s men, but history has shown in most cases the end result of such loss of leadership is much greater loss. Might be of interest that the decision to withdraw the General was influenced very much by the Australians, who through Churchill influenced FDR and Marshall to place him out of danger. The Aussies were in direct line of Japanese invasion from the Philippines- and the issue of diggers fighting for Montgomery at the time came up— they needed them back in Australia to fight Japs. Again, all documented.
It is a matter of the “conversation” of ‘what I would have done” (which has truly little else to contribute to the discussion) that the impression of virtue signalling comes through. Very much like the “soldier’s general” popular opinion and PR for Gen. Omar Bradley vs. a true military genius who was Gen. George Patton.
Go back and do more research.
MacArthur had his abandonment of his command on Bataan because “he was ordered to Australia to organize a relief force” leaving General Wainwright holding the bag and becoming the highest ranking POW in a Japanese prison camp in Manchuria for three and a half years.
MacArthur was ordered by FDR to leave Bataan... a fact you might discover with more research.
Genius might be an understatement.
He had exactly one bright moment. That was the occupation of Japan.
That must be the only fact you know about MacArthur. Everything else you write is leftist fiction.
Beyond that he was a dud who started in incompetence, and prolonged the pacific war by several months.
You don't know what you write about.
You don't know what you write about.
Yeah at Pusan LOL! You don't know what you write about.
You don't know what you are writing about.
But as far as executing campaigns, he wasted resources on vanity projects and lengthened the war.
Such as??
In Korea his handling of things is what allowed the disaster when we approached the Yalu.
His only failure in Korea was not realizing during the roughly 20 years that he had been out of Washington the extent to which Reds via FDR and Truman penetrated Washington DC.
In the field he was not competent, that’s why he was not used in Europe.
You are not competent to comment. Otherwise, you would know why he wasn't used in Europe.
Roosevelt was unable to dump him politically, so they gave him a front in the pacific to occupy him.
Again, you should not comment so boldly on a public forum on matters you know nothing about.
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