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Another Case Where Everything You've Read Is Wrong: Ahmaud Arbery
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 24 Nov, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 11/24/2021 3:55:57 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: old curmudgeon

Some things you may do, but do not screw it up.
They screwed it up.


61 posted on 11/24/2021 6:33:46 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Statistics don't matter when they happen to you.)
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To: MtnClimber

He’s making the “an armed society is a polite society” mistake. Sorry, but some armed societies are very violent. When civilians have armed confrontations with other civilians the result isn’t always going to be rational de-escalation. That’s no reason to take guns away, but it ought to be borne in mind that what you might think of as a “citizen’s arrest” situation isn’t automatically going to be perceived as such by everyone, especially someone who has been jogging for some time already and has the endorphins flowing.


62 posted on 11/24/2021 6:35:45 AM PST by x
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To: GJones2

Then that makes all the difference in the world.


63 posted on 11/24/2021 6:41:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (When elections fail, we will either live under tyranny or rebel and throw it off.)
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To: KobraKai

I don’t disagree. I was simply pointing out that the ingress and camera might be in one place, and the items of value and the egress might be somewhere else, even an unfinished window.


64 posted on 11/24/2021 6:44:38 AM PST by rlmorel (If the Biden Administration was only stupid or incompetent, some actions would benefit the USA.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes, that’s what makes it self defense.


65 posted on 11/24/2021 6:45:44 AM PST by GJones2 ( Arbery case: outrageous prosecution. Self-defense: Arbery attacked McMichael)
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Jogger please.


66 posted on 11/24/2021 6:46:37 AM PST by SimpleJack
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To: MtnClimber

Good article.

Thanks for posting so we can know the facts of the matter.


67 posted on 11/24/2021 6:49:57 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: EEGator

Or “Retail Equity Contributions”


68 posted on 11/24/2021 7:04:02 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

Nice.


69 posted on 11/24/2021 7:15:42 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

After all, its just rich department stores paying their fair share.


70 posted on 11/24/2021 7:29:01 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

It’s doubleplusgood.


71 posted on 11/24/2021 7:32:54 AM PST by EEGator
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To: MtnClimber

In this case, that appears to be correct.

Arbery did not do anything.

“ Under cross-examination by the prosecution on his second day of testimony, Travis McMichael said he was “under the impression” that Arbery could be a threat because he was running straight at him and he had seen Arbery trying to get into the truck of a neighbor who had joined in a pursuit of Arbery.

“All he’s done is run away from you,” prosecutor Linda Dunikoski said. “And you pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at him.””

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/watch-live-man-who-shot-ahmaud-arbery-testifies-as-trial-continues-day-10


72 posted on 11/24/2021 7:40:50 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: FreedomPoster

Thought experiment: Imagine you are a black guy in southern Georgia, knowing you are in a “white” neighborhood, being chased by 2 trucks of rednecks, with a shotgun pointed at you at close range. They aren’t the police, and haven’t mentioned “citizen’s arrest”. Imagine you know they have reason to believe you’ve been up to no good. Through a mix of history, experience, community stories and myths, and the current obsession with “lynching”, you expect the absolute worst from this type of white men. In the adrenaline rush of being chased, would you assume they were about to kill you?

Grabbing at a shotgun barrel has low odds of success, but it’s not so stupid for someone who believes he’s about to be killed if he does nothing.

BTW, if McMichaels and Bryan had shown “impulse control”, would they have chased after someone?


73 posted on 11/24/2021 7:47:33 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah

How many lynchings of blacks by whites have there been in the last 10 years? To the nearest dozen is fine.

I’ll wait patiently while you do your research.


74 posted on 11/24/2021 7:52:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
>> “All he’s done is run away from you,” prosecutor Linda Dunikoski said. “And you pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at him.”” <<

He was running straight at him when there was plenty of room to go to the side. Then he reverses course when Travis pulls out the gun. Note that Travis didn't shoot him that time and didn't follow him. Arbery should have learned by now that he can avoid getting shot by not attacking.

Then after disappearing around the bend, Arbery comes back again, and runs straight at him again, when he has the whole road to run in. You can see it on the video. The guy is irrationally aggressive. He doesn't have to run straight at him. Yet he chooses to do so.

This time when Travis points his gun at him -- and doesn't shoot -- he veers to the right and goes by the truck on the right side. Fine, so far so good. Travis remains on the left side. Arbery has an open path ahead of him, but instead of continuing, he turns sharply, crosses in front of the truck, and attacks Travis.

And people claim Travis didn't fire in self defense. Preposterous! Look at the video -- -- VIEWER WARNING: Uncut video of confrontation, shooting of Ahmaud Arbery (News4JAX).

75 posted on 11/24/2021 8:26:22 AM PST by GJones2 ( Arbery case: outrageous prosecution. Self-defense: Arbery attacked McMichael)
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To: FreedomPoster

Jogger is what spelling correcter uses for Looter.


76 posted on 11/24/2021 8:28:36 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: Chewbarkah
>> Through a mix of history, experience, community stories and myths, and the current obsession with “lynching”, you expect the absolute worst from this type of white men. <<

That's history, and to continue to expect the worst of whites is racist. Over recent decades interracial murders have averaged about 2 to 1 black against white. On average it's the whites who have the most to fear.

And that was true that day in Georgia too. Situations must be judged on an individual basis. Travis had shown that he wouldn't shoot Arbery if he didn't charge him. Yet even with an open path of escape in front of him, and Travis remaining on the left side of the road, Arbery chose to turn sharply, charge him and attack. It's clearly shown in the video -- VIEWER WARNING: Uncut video of confrontation, shooting of Ahmaud Arbery (News4JAX).

77 posted on 11/24/2021 8:43:09 AM PST by GJones2 ( Arbery case: outrageous prosecution. Self-defense: Arbery attacked McMichael)
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To: FreedomPoster

You miss the point. A lot of what drives behavior stems from what people BELIEVE, not what is actually true. Of course there are very few real lynchings in the last FIFTY years, much less ten. Yet (many) blacks apparently live in constant fear of it, despite a lack of real evidence. (That is precisely why we have lots of hoax claims — the claimants “KNOW” this is occurring RIGHT NOW, but believe the evidence is being suppressed. They must gin up a hoax to warn others of the “danger”. A herd of FBI agents were recently sent to investigate a garage door pull string at a NASCAR location. The FBI knew it was bs, but were ordered to indulge the fantasy, much like making a show of looking under the bed for monsters to calm a scared child. But it was done because to mollify the segment of the population that believes. I don’t know what Arbery was thinking — I’m offering an explanation of why he would risk struggling for the shotgun.


78 posted on 11/24/2021 9:30:24 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: MtnClimber

later


79 posted on 11/24/2021 9:31:54 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: Leep

Owner? No owner was involved.

No burglary was reported either.


80 posted on 11/24/2021 9:55:48 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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