Posted on 11/19/2021 3:26:40 AM PST by RandFan
FOUR days of deliberations ?
This is an open and shut case.
What is going on, please?
I'm starting to feel the worst for Kyle.
Maybe they "got" to the jury. Jury intimidation is a real thing.
There is no way they should be taking this long!
ACQUIT!
It could be, if the prosecutors knew they were committing perjury.
100% correct.
In fact ever since the OJ trial. I have a complete distain with a jury of my “peers”.
I will take a judge EVERY SINGLE TIME than lay people who may or may not have a tendency to be hoodwinked by argument and feelings over facts and laws.
The best outcome now is to hope for is a mistrial and to dismiss with prejudice.
My rabid liberal D-i-L would not only gleefully (and self-righteously) convict Kyle Rittenhouse, even knowing it was a clear-cut self-defense case but I honestly believe she would turn me in for “re-education” & a forced vax and believe that it was the right thing to do, for MY sake.
I’m praying for a hung jury and the judge to then declare a mistrial w/ prejudice, but my hope is waning.
Just thinking, who’s to say that the jury wasn’t influenced with a ringer or two.
“It’s really worth time even when nothing is happening in the trial room.”
Yep, absolutely. It has been a very educational opportunity.
one or two liberals are probably holding out causing the delay.
An open and shut case. Just like the 2020 election.
I’ve only been on a criminal jury once - but a lot of strange things can happen in that room.
Who knows really knows, but if they are considering their lives after the verdict, the safest way to go is a hung jury. Anything else and large segments of the public are going to furious. Not only their friends and family who already know they are on the jury, but possibly whatever % of crazy strangers willing to do something to send a message. They sure can’t count on their identities being kept secret in the 2020s. Pass the buck to the next jury.
Freegards
Grounds for Mistrial - UNC School of Government
Other states will have their own precedents. This is a good summary of grounds for mistrial, and also illustrates the wide gaps between "must" and discrection on the part of the court.
Jury intimidation by both the Media-Dem Party and their street thugs. With all the withholding of evidence, and witnesses by the prosecution during the trial, the judge should declare a mistrial
The prosecution introduced a deliberately fuzzy video late in the trial without notifying the defense. They did this so they could make up a false narrative claiming Rittenhouse provoked the incident by pointing his rifle at his attackers. The higher res video shows no such thing, so the prosecutors deliberately lowered the resolution so they could lie.
The judge never should have allowed this, but the way the prosecution trickled it out neither the judge nor the defense realized what was going on until it was too late to do much about it.
The jury bus was followed by an NBC producer to deliver an implicit threat to the jury.
It may be time for all decent people, all who agree with Kyle, to respond appropriately and within the law to Antifa terrorism.
It’s called a jury and they have to review 4 shootings,2 of them fatal.
Was watching a podcast on this yesterday.
Apparently, the person leading the jury is asking for evidence to review, and in the request there are giveaways that the juror wants it to prove the prosecution’s case... and asks in a very odd demanding way.
It was suggested that the lead juror is an activist.
There was another report that things overheard in court indicated a current 6-6 split.
The jury is undoubtedly intimidated at the very least.... and may have at least 1 activist in it.
>>> I am actually hopeful the judge is waiting it out to give Kyle a shot at full acquittal, before he declares a mistrial with prejudice.
I said the same thing in another thread...
Then someone pointed out that a mistrial with prejudice is pretty much the same thing as a dismissal... they cannot bring the same charges in a subsequent trial.
Jury would be off the hook, and it would all be on the judge.
There must be dug-in jurors on both sides of the question of “basic guiltiness”, some who want him free as a bird, some who want him to do at least some time. He’s in trouble if these latter are the ones with the stronger personalities.
The defense has have submitted a motion for mistrial for three outrages of the prosecution:
1. The state raised that the defendant had remained silence after arrested (a constitution right) because he is guilty. This is a super no-no.
2. The state raised an issue the judge had ruled was not to be used (a picture of Kyle in a t-shirt). The Judge was pissed when this was done.
3. The state provide the defense a drone video in lower definition (420 vs 1080) that the defense showed that this was on purpose and not an innocent mistake.
The judge has said that he would not rule on the motions until the jury is done. I think that is a good move by him to let the verdict come in before he rules. If the verdict is guilty or if they are deadlocked he will rule a ‘mistrial w/prejudice’.
They is also the issues of the jury being video and NBC/MSNBC stalking the jury. Trust me, this is a done deal.
I agree with your post 100%. That, or the jury isn’t going to release their verdict until their witness protection placement has been finalized !!
I'll wager the feds are trying their best to control the outcome of this... They really don't like the idea of people defending themselves...
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