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A Windows 11 tsunami? No, more of a ripple as Microsoft's latest OS hits 5% PC market
The Register ^ | Oct 28, 2021 | Richard Speed

Posted on 10/28/2021 10:50:50 PM PDT by dayglored

Next version of Windows 10 looms around the corner

Microsoft's Windows 11 OS has notched up a respectable near 5 per cent of PCs surveyed by AdDuplex, as another Dev Channel build was unleashed with new features for the favoured few.

With less than a month of General Availability under its belt, Windows 11 now accounts for 4.8 per cent of "modern" PCs (Windows Insiders running the OS account for 0.3 per cent) according to the ad platform. The figure is up from the 1.3 per cent in September, which was Insider-only and points to some migration to the production version of the software.

The figure is both an indicator of Microsoft's cautious approach to releasing its wares and the limited amount of hardware that can actually run the round-cornered OS.

Next month the 21H2 version of Windows 10 will be unleashed, which will be the first indicator of how many users have opted to stick with the old faithful rather than move to the new OS and its diva-esque hardware rider.

Windows 11's early showing was accompanied by the release of build 22489 into the Windows Insider Dev Channel. No, the build did not include the Windows Subsystem for Android made available to US users of the supposedly more stable beta channel (although there are ways around that), but it did feature a reminder that not all Insiders are equal as Microsoft rolled out a new "Your Microsoft Account" settings page to a "small subset" of loyal testers.

Since doing anything much in Windows 11 for consumers is tricky without a Microsoft Account nowadays, the page is an alternative to visiting the company's online portals. Microsoft 365 subscription information, a user's order history, payment details and rewards information are available, and the company plans to enhance things via its Online Service Experience Packs (OSEPs).

OSEPs differ from the Windows Feature Experience Packs, which tweak multiple bits of Windows outside of OS updates. Instead, a specific area – the Your Microsoft Account – is focused on.. assuming you've been lucky enough to win the Windows Insider lottery and be granted access to the new OS.

As well as a raft of fixes, the update also includes support for Discovery of Designated Resolvers (DDR) to allow Windows to bootstrap a DNS over HTTPS (DOH) with only the IP address for a DNS resolver. ®


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: microsoft; windows10; windows11; windowspinglist
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Actually, 5% isn't bad for something that has so many restrictive requirements, and isn't getting a ton of laudatory press coverage.
1 posted on 10/28/2021 10:50:50 PM PDT by dayglored
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To: dayglored; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; AppyPappy; arnoldc1; ATOMIC_PUNK; ..
Windows 11 ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

2 posted on 10/28/2021 10:52:30 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
Personally I don't plan to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon, not because I don't have new enough hardware (I would do it in a VM anyway), but because frankly I don't see anything in Win11 that I want.

For that matter, Win10 didn't offer anything that I wanted that Win7 didn't already have, but that's a different issue, right?

So how about you FReepers who have upgraded to Win11 -- what is it like, what does it do for you that Win10 doesn't do, etc.???

3 posted on 10/28/2021 10:55:57 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

4.5% of that is due to people having automatic upgrades turned on in their settings.


4 posted on 10/28/2021 11:00:33 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: dayglored
Since doing anything much in Windows 11 for consumers is tricky without a Microsoft Account nowadays ...

I hate the trend toward accounts and cloud based computing.

I've long used Adobe Dreamweaver 8 for web design. But now you must subscribe to Adobe to use its products, and renew your subscription every year if you want to keep using it.

When I pay for a program, I want to own it. And I want a copy of it, preferably on DVD.

5 posted on 10/28/2021 11:05:56 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: dayglored
More info on this topic from The Verge:

Microsoft starts rolling out Windows 11 to more PCs

Microsoft is rolling out Windows 11 to more PCs this week. After an initial launch to mostly new PCs earlier this month, Microsoft is gradually making the free Windows 11 upgrade available to more existing and eligible devices.

“The availability of Windows 11 has been increased and we are leveraging our latest generation machine learning model to offer the upgrade to an expanded set of eligible devices,” says Microsoft. “We will continue to train our machine learning model throughout the phased rollout to deliver a smooth upgrade experience.”

6 posted on 10/28/2021 11:10:59 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

I have had a surface go 3 for a few days..

It will likely go back.

In fact I am currently using an old rt 2 tablet.

They removed tablet mode from win 11 and I cannot find a tablet optimized browser for windows.

Win 11 will not exit minisetup without internet access

Demands ms account, but you can later create local admin account and delete, but still annoying

I cannot use the android framework because not enough ram.

Windows 11 is a bad tablet os, but I do not know if 10 is better


7 posted on 10/28/2021 11:13:37 PM PDT by algore ( )
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To: Angelino97
> ...now you must subscribe to Adobe to use its products, and renew your subscription every year if you want to keep using it. When I pay for a program, I want to own it. And I want a copy of it, preferably on DVD.

Customers purchase a license to run software -- only the manufacturer of the software "owns" it. This is very different from purchasing a car or a shovel or a loaf of bread -- those you "own".

But long ago in the 1970's Bill Gates famously laid out the master plan for software distribution. What you purchased was not the product, but a license to run the product. You can never own a commercial software product (unless you developed it or bought the company that did).

As to having a DVD -- download an installer for the software and burn it to a DVD. Very little software is available on CD/DVD these days, but you can make your own backup copy, assuming the EULA permits it.

8 posted on 10/28/2021 11:17:38 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Angelino97

I agree with you. If I paid for it I Own it without renewing every year. Also dislike having to register with steam in order to use a software. Internet is fine but not that reliable. Outages all the time.


9 posted on 10/28/2021 11:20:07 PM PDT by Don_Ret_USAF ("No Government can survive Without The Trust Of The People."er)
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To: dayglored

It’s supposed to be more secure which means lots of software won’t work. They got rid of ActiveX which caused us some grief. What have they done away with now?


10 posted on 10/28/2021 11:21:59 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Don_Ret_USAF

The prices on Windows 365 are quite low. The price to rent doesn’t rise to the cost to own until 3-5 yrs. But who knows what fufture prices will be.


11 posted on 10/28/2021 11:24:36 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: dayglored

It’s going to stay low when they arbitrarily cut off CPU support at a certain generation. My Intel core i7 (with 6 physical hyperthreaded cores) is more than capable of running Win 11 but not on their compatibility list because its 5 years old or so.


12 posted on 10/28/2021 11:37:19 PM PDT by monkeybrau
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To: dayglored

My laptop is only a year old but the processor (Ryzen 5) is not good enough they say. What sort of travesty is it?


13 posted on 10/29/2021 12:23:39 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: dayglored

“Microsoft’s latest OS” should be “Microsoft’s latest POS”.


14 posted on 10/29/2021 12:37:25 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Angelino97

Same here. I’ll find a purchasable version of software before I rent it.


15 posted on 10/29/2021 1:00:22 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: dayglored
"Next month the 21H2 version of Windows 10 will be unleashed,"

Windows key and Pause/Break key tells me:

Edition Windows 10 Pro Version 21H1 Installed on ‎10/‎28/‎2020 OS build 19043.1288 Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3920.0

16 posted on 10/29/2021 1:19:49 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: dayglored
"The issue I do not see being addressed is the relation btwn Trusted Platform Module and Secure Computing and the criticisms of the latter and potential for censorship.
Trusted Platform Module (TPM, also known as ISO/IEC 11889) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor, a dedicated microcontroller designed to secure hardware through integrated cryptographic keys...Trusted Platform Module (TPM) was conceived by a computer industry consortium called Trusted Computing Group (TCG), - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
Trusted Computing (TC), also often referred to as Confidential Computing, is a technology developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group.[1] The term is taken from the field of trusted systems and has a specialized meaning. The core idea of trusted computing is to give hardware manufacturers control over what software does and does not run on a system by refusing to run unsigned software...
TC is controversial as the hardware is not only secured for its owner, but also secured against its owner. Such controversy has led opponents of trusted computing, such as free software activist Richard Stallman, to refer to it instead as treacherous computing,[3] even to the point where some scholarly articles have begun to place scare quotes around "trusted computing".[4][5] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing
Trusted Computing opponents such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Free Software Foundation claim trust in the underlying companies is not deserved and that the technology puts too much power and control into the hands of those who design systems and software. They also believe that it may cause consumers to lose anonymity in their online interactions, as well as mandating technologies Trusted Computing opponents say are unnecessary. They suggest Trusted Computing as a possible enabler for future versions of mandatory access control, copy protection, and DRM. Some security experts, such as Alan Cox[24] and Bruce Schneier,[25] have spoken out against Trusted Computing, believing it will provide computer manufacturers and software authors with increased control to impose restrictions on what users are able to do with their computers. There are concerns that Trusted Computing would have an anti-competitive effect on the IT market.[9]
Cryptographer Ross Anderson, University of Cambridge, has great concerns that:[9] TC can support remote censorship [...] In general, digital objects created using TC systems remain under the control of their creators, rather than under the control of the person who owns the machine on which they happen to be stored [...] So someone who writes a paper that a court decides is defamatory can be compelled to censor it — and the software company that wrote the word processor could be ordered to do the deletion if she refuses. Given such possibilities, we can expect TC to be used to suppress everything from pornography to writings that criticize political leaders. He goes on to state that: [...] software suppliers can make it much harder for you to switch to their competitors' products. At a simple level, Word could encrypt all your documents using keys that only Microsoft products have access to; this would mean that you could only read them using Microsoft products, not with any competing word processor. [...] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism

"October 5 marks the official release of Windows 11, a new version of the operating system that doesn't do anything at all to counteract Windows' long history of depriving users of freedom and digital autonomy," writes Free Software Foundation campaigns manager Greg Farough.

"While we might have been encouraged by Microsoft's vague, aspirational slogans about community and togetherness, Windows 11 takes important steps in the wrong direction when it comes to user freedom." Microsoft claims that "life's better together" in their advertising for this latest Windows version, but when it comes to technology, there is no surer way of keeping users divided and powerless than nonfree softwarechoosing to create an unjust power structure, in which a developer knowingly keeps users powerless and dependent by withholding information. Increasingly, this involves not only withholding the source code itself, but even basic information on how the software works: what it's really doing, what it's collecting, and how often it's snitching on users. "Snitching" may sound dramatic, but Windows 11 will now require a Microsoft account to be connected to every user account, granting them the ability to correlate user behavior with one's personal identity. Even those who think they have nothing to hide should be wary of sharing potentially all of their computing activity with any company, much less one with a track record of abuse like Microsoft...

We expect Microsoft to use its tighter control on cryptography that happens in Windows as a way to impose more severe Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) onto media and applications, and as a way to ensure that no application can run in Windows without Microsoft's approval. In cases like these, it's no longer appropriate to call a machine running Windows a "personal" computer, as it obeys Microsoft more than it does its user. Indeed, it's bitterly ironic that Microsoft is calling the program that verifies a system's compatibility with Windows 11 a "PC Health Check." We counter that a healthy PC is one that respects its user's wishes, runs free software, and doesn't purposefully restrict them through treacherous computing. It would also never send the user's encryption keys back to its corporate overlords. Intrepid users will likely find a way around this requirement, yet it doesn't change the fact that the majority of Windows users will be forced into a treacherous computing scheme...

Sometimes, Microsoft realizes that it can't be quite so overtly antisocial. We've commented many times before on the hypocrisy involved in saying that Microsoft "loves open source" and "loves Linux," two ways of mentioning free software without reference to freedom. At the same time, Microsoft employees do make contributions to free software, contributions which benefit many others. Yet they do not extend this philosophy to their operating system, and in the last few years, they've made an attempt to impair the ways free software makes "life better together" further by making critical functions of Microsoft GitHub rely on nonfree JavaScript and directing users toward Service as a Software Substitute (SaaSS) platforms. By attacking user freedom through Windows, and the free software community directly by means of nonfree JavaScript, Microsoft proves that it has no plans to loosen its grip on users.

No program that you're forbidden to copy, modify, or share can truly bring people "together" in the way that Microsoft claims.

Thankfully, and right outside the window, there's a true community of users you and your loved ones can join...

Let's stop falling for the trap of chasing short-term, superficial improvements in proprietary software that may seem to make life better, and instead opt for free software, the only software that can support the best versions of ourselves.
- https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/10/08/2326231/fsf-warns-windows-11-deprives-users-of-freedom-and-digital-autonomy?utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner

Is this all unwarranted fear-mongering?

17 posted on 10/29/2021 1:51:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: algore

I bought three cheap Win10 tablets last week to drop into my EMP storage cans... for 150.00ea with free shipping from Walmart I didn’t expect much more than sluggish make-do machines but they work pretty well.

I jumped through the usual Outlook and MS accounts hoops to set them up...who is the idiot who coded that setup routine!?

They don’t have a USB-C or a full-size HDMI but they were just for putting into storage to await the day of doom.

You can fold the keyboard all the way back and use them as a touch-screen tablet... I discovered I actually like that feature.. and it pairs well with a cordless mouse.

They are fan-less design, charge with 12VDC and run on 3.7
those voltages are easier to deal with if you end up running them on solar.


18 posted on 10/29/2021 2:05:45 AM PDT by Bobalu (Figure out what you like, learn enough to be dangerous, and then start fiddling around)
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To: dayglored

I have a Dell 10th gen i3 laptop that I am typing on right now. I backed up the Win10 installation on it with AOMEI. Onto an external hard drive. I then clean installed Win 11.

I see no downside to Win 11. The upside is that it looks 50% better than Win 10. The Settings menus are much more logically arranged and look nicer. This will help MS compete with Apple.

*************

Here is a commentary I agree with>>>>>

And there are changes under the hood, from expanded input support for pen, touch and voice, and optimizations in gaming and security, and even promises of improved battery life thanks to improved system efficiency. Some lesser-used Windows 10 features are getting cut too from Windows 11 too.

Let’s look at some of the biggest changes that have arrived Windows 11.

If there’s one thing that stands out about Windows 11, it’s the visuals. Microsoft has come a long way from boring boxes and wallpapers of grassy green hills. Included with that advancement is a new version of the Windows logo, the return of the startup sound which has been dropped since Windows 8, and a revamped collection of icons that enhances flat designs with colorful gradients and adds a touch of depth to the otherwise 2D images.

One of the biggest changes is a rounded look on pretty much everything. Windows, menu panels and notification boxes all have matching rounded corners that give everything a softer look.


19 posted on 10/29/2021 2:15:21 AM PDT by dennisw (Joe is senile)
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To: dayglored

While it seems (by lack of response) no one is interested, much less alarmed by the potential for abuse of Trusted Computing, and most of the warnings by the Free Software Foundation are dated and who seems to be libertarians whose main concern is freedom for pirated media and porn, yet with the trajectory of increasing censorship and pressure to submit to Wokism by the Left, then I foresee the day when financial transactions cannot be made without TPM activation and perhaps also enabling a means of ideological control, treating non-PC use and expressions as malware. At least I think that is the dream of many.

The less souls are controlled from within, by God and godly conscience, then indeed they need to be watched and controlled from without, this increasing the power of the state and its corporate allies, but insofar as the state is not controlled by God and godly conscience then the more it can use its means of control against those who are.


20 posted on 10/29/2021 3:20:39 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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