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To: Rokke

Whoever was the armorer Iis responsible...


16 posted on 10/24/2021 2:08:40 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Vendome

Hand me a firearm and the second I take possession of it, I’m responsible for everything it does. It’s not the piece of metal. It’s the person who pulls the trigger.


18 posted on 10/24/2021 2:11:08 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Vendome; All
Nope. Armorers repair guns. Just like auto mechanics tune cars.

Shooters load mags, insert mags into mag wells, racks the slide, gets asight picture of the target and what’s behind it, and presses the trigger.

28 posted on 10/24/2021 2:47:42 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: Vendome
I disagree. Baldwin had a real gun, and he aimed at a human being. The "I didn't know the gun was loaded" excuse doesn't fly. If you don't know what you are doing, when it comes to firearms, you shouldn't be doing it. Look, he shot his "prop" gun just hours after a mishap with live ammo on his very movie set. Extra caution should have been exercised. Would you point a gun at a living human being just after that had happened? I wouldn't.

I was a construction contractor in a previous life. I was fortunate that no serious accidents happened on any of my sites, but I knew of contractors who did have fatal accidents occur. If someone was killed, OSHA would be all over the site and the contractor would most likely have faced serious fines and penalties. If it had been determined that a serious breach of safety procedures had occurred a few hours earlier, and no steps had been taken to fix the problem - well, you had better lawyer up, because you just might be going to jail. Baldwin was the boss. He should have said "Not one frame of film will be shot until we fix this gun problem." He was in control of the gun, the production, the safety protocols, the hiring and firing of experts - He is 100% at fault.

39 posted on 10/24/2021 3:24:26 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Vendome

Yes, and no.

Yes if she saw live primers and assumed them to be blanks, she should have counted each chamber and shucked any and all rounds out that she did not right them insert into the revolver for the required scene. No in that once she checked the gun, and handed it off to the prop dude or whomever, who then handed it to the idiot actor, there was a broken chain of responsibility. A quick look into the chambers from an oblique would have revealed a nasty 45 cal lead bullet smiling from the launch tube and not the crimp of a five in one blank....

Then the actor had ownership of the weapon, he too, should have insured it safe for the task.

Ultimately, there will likely be three cases of negligence leading up to the trigger puller in the end.

This aint “sh*t happen” shrug off.


44 posted on 10/24/2021 3:30:55 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: Vendome

Whoever pulled the trigger is responsible.


65 posted on 10/24/2021 6:21:56 PM PDT by Fireone (When they pry them from my cold, dead, unvaccinated hands.)
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To: Vendome

oh methinks more than one person is responsible...but the buck stops with baldwin, he had the last opportunity to not kill, either by checking the weapon or not pointing it at a person and pulling the trigger...anything else is an excuse criminal negligence imo.


69 posted on 10/24/2021 6:36:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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