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NHTSA Controversy with Tesla
Insideevs ^ | 22 Oct 2021 | Andrei Nedelea

Posted on 10/23/2021 7:34:05 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

He recently uploaded a video on his channel, Munro Live, where he shares on his side of the story when it comes to the recent National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (the NTHSA) versus Tesla situation. In case you don’t know what that’s about, the NHTSA is about to get a new senior adviser for safety, Missy Cummings, who has voiced criticism against Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving systems in a paper she published in August.

He makes an analogy to football, saying this situation is like saying to the leading team to back off in order for others to have time to catch up. The tone of the monologue is not a relaxed one - Sandy really seems to have very strong opinions on this, which he details and argues in favor of.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: elonmusk; missycummings; nthsa; policestate; tesla
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I like Munro, a former Ford engineer/exc, now a manufacturing teardown specialist; automotive and aircraft.

He will tell you he likes his Jeep and uses it for deer hunting. Lately, he has come over to like Tesla.

Clearly, you can see he is pissed and reading a script so as not to say anything untoward.

The unions run Detroit and they are the root problem.

As in; bidens proposal that union manufactured EV receive a much higher rebate...

ANYTHING TO TEAR DOWN A NON-UNION COMPANY.

1 posted on 10/23/2021 7:34:05 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Automatic Pilot is the problem. The government tries to kill people with vaccine then save them with autopilot. Make up your minds.


2 posted on 10/23/2021 7:52:58 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Either way we don’t and won’t have the infrastructure for EV’s.


3 posted on 10/23/2021 7:54:20 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

DISMANTLE THE UTTERLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL NTHSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)!!!!


4 posted on 10/23/2021 7:56:55 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

Another Noxious Nixon gift along with the EPA, OSHA


5 posted on 10/23/2021 8:00:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Nixon screwed up more things than he fixed I think. Nixon thought he was the cat’s meow, but his arrogance kept him from seeing the truth of Reagan’s, “Government isn’t the solution, government is the problem.”

Nixon is a symbol of what’s wrong with the Republican Party - status quo-loving “conservatives” rather than freedom and Constitution-loving Patriots.


6 posted on 10/23/2021 8:07:20 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Honestly, people hotdogging in their cars by sleeping while “driving” in them is worth attempted murder charges.


7 posted on 10/23/2021 8:08:37 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

—”Either way we don’t and won’t have the infrastructure for EV’s.”

What is your timeline for this grid collapse?

And have you noticed that EV sales are about 2% of car sales?

”In God we trust. All others must bring data.”
Dr Deming; note Munro worked for him at Ford.


8 posted on 10/23/2021 8:08:42 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Really wonder despite the huge push what percentage of the automotive public, given an even, truly free choice would prefer to own an EV or a vehicle with an internal combustion engine. Suspect the real market for EVs without huge incentives and overt government coercion is really large enough to justify the huge capital expenditures made by GM and Ford to produce EVS. Most consumers have a gnawing uncertainty regarding the range and actual long term reliability of these vehicles.


9 posted on 10/23/2021 8:09:50 AM PDT by allendale
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As someone who deals with highway safety regularly in my line of work, I can tell you that “autopilot” and “self-driving” cars are two of the dumbest ideas to come out of the auto industry in my lifetime.

I’m probably being too harsh here. Vehicle automation isn’t a bad idea in concept, but it’s ludicrous to implement something like this in stages where each stage has limited value on its own and there’s no clear plan or schedule to get to the final stage.

10 posted on 10/23/2021 8:12:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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—”people hotdogging in their cars by sleeping while “driving” in them is worth attempted murder charges.”

True and the same for ALL impaired drivers, keep them off the road forever.

That said, I’m waiting for the car that is FULL SELF DRIVING.

Tell the car where I want to go and take a nap.
As a young septuagenarian, my RT can be measured on a kitchen clock, and probably not improving.

Honda has some in Japan only(different lawyers) that can do this but only for slow-speed city driving.


11 posted on 10/23/2021 8:24:49 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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“Really wonder despite the huge push what percentage of the automotive public, given an even, truly free choice would prefer to own an EV”

When consumers agree EVs are competitive with IC they will sell in big numbers. They are good cars for people who don't drive long distances or live at high elevations or in locations with extreme weather conditions, long winters, etc.

12 posted on 10/23/2021 8:30:32 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Halyna Hutchins didn't kill herself.)
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To: allendale

—”Most consumers have a gnawing uncertainty regarding the range and actual long term reliability of these vehicles.

Notice that EV sales are only about 2% of US CAR sales.

IMO there is a large market for commuter cars/city cars.

We have always had a commuter car(GAS) and an SUV or pickup.

Typical for most of the family homes in my area.

The big numbers are city dwellers, but how to charge them?
Any charging cables will be gone before they close their front door.
Wireless $$$ Dreamland$$$.

The cost for a charging station for electric scooters/bicycles is beyong crazy money in the city.


13 posted on 10/23/2021 8:38:19 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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—” ludicrous to implement something like this in stages where each stage has limited value on its own “

“Don’t sell the steak, sell the sizzle”

That and planned obsolescence.

On a local interstate, a car full of young ones on a vacation set the cruise control, when the driver tired, they would change drivers while rolling at highway speed.
IIRC three fatal two survived.

I’ve had friends brag about this maneuver.


14 posted on 10/23/2021 8:50:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Alberta's Child

Anything the government pushes is a bad idea - by definition - because the government only feels the need to push ideas when the markets are choosing not to.

The markets will champion ideas as soon as they become good ideas, and not a minute sooner. That means that if the government is championing an idea, the markets have judged it to be a bad idea, or at best a premature idea.

Take the LED bulbs for example. The government was pushing them before they were ready. They subsidized them and even began to penalize incandescent bulbs.

The LEDs at the time were unattractive light tones, not easy on the eyes, the Edison based versions often had weird “shoulders” that wouldn’t screw all the way in, and they didn’t work properly with faders, dimmers, photosensitive, and other applications. Since they ran cool, the bulbs were plastic instead of glass, and would melt in certain applications.

Most importantly, they were unproven, and consumers didn’t know how much longer they would last, or how much they could save in electricity - and they were not cheap.

The government push was a total flop, and angered a hundred million people. And for what?

Ten years later, the markets are embracing LEDs without the government having to lift a finger. They are much improved in all regards, they have passed the test of time, and the price has come down.

In time, the same will happen with EVs, if they are indeed a good idea - and if the government stays out of it and let’s the markets judge when they are ready, the transition will happen peacefully.

That’s what people forget - that there is a huge cost to government coercion. All the subsidies and penalties the government uses to force change can only subtract $$ from the economy and bring down our standard of living while they are in effect.


15 posted on 10/23/2021 9:15:05 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I don’t understand how so many people can look at an industry/technology that has detonated into exponential/logistic growth, and not see where it is going, and how fast. Is it some sort of disease or injury? Is it social pressure? Or is it just simply low IQ?

Self driving cars are safer than people driven cars, and getting better by a magnitude of ten every year. Electric cars are here, whether the grid can charge them or not, they are here. Insurance for manually driven cars will go up drastically over the next decade. Internal combustion engine cars are going to vanish over the next decade. Good or bad, it is happening now.


16 posted on 10/23/2021 9:28:19 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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Dealerships have no cars to sell. They would be .5 or less in a normal economy. If your EV runs out of juice you can’t get a can of gas on the side of the road.


17 posted on 10/23/2021 9:39:45 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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To: Jim W N

Reagan’s, “Government isn’t the solution, government is the problem.”


And with that as his motto, he became the problem, accelerating and making real Noxious Nixon’s War on Natural Resource Harvesters which continues to this day. If it hadn’t been for Reagan and his betrayal of us in the natural resource community, America would be far stronger and freer than today.


18 posted on 10/23/2021 9:41:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Born to Conserve

Good or bad, it is happening now.


They were real in the early 1900s and disappeared for the same reason they will in a future sane country.


19 posted on 10/23/2021 9:44:20 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I’m waiting for the car that is FULL SELF DRIVING.

When it arrives, you will do as the government tells you when, where, how, and why. No questions in your new total authoritarian state .. ever.


20 posted on 10/23/2021 9:47:20 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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