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Posted on 10/09/2021 9:13:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz
From September 30, 2021 presentation by Clint [redacted]
Email: [Redacted]
Disclaimer: comments by Clint [redacted] recorded here, should be viewed like something you would hear at a seminar. Since we have not yet hired Clint to represent us, his guidance is not specific legal advice to you individually or this group.
Clint’s initial message to us – about challenging mandates -- was a bitter pill, but it does clarify some things and help us focus on the things that matter. The more important discussion covered was how to successfully acquire an exemption, especially a religious one.
EEOC and Legal Challenges to Mandates
Takeaway: No viable path to stopping corporate’s mandate through the legal system (a good attorney will never say never, but the odds are long)
o EEOC is the enforcement agency
o EEOC updated its guidance in May to say that employers can require vaccinations as a condition of employment, subject to certain limitations
Takeaway: Courts and EEOC have affirmed that there are some limitations to a mandate:
o Example avenues for Religious Exemptions (you may find another)
§ Pro-life concerns about connections to aborted fetal cells
§ My body is a temple of God and I need to be discerning about what goes into my body.
o Can substitute a lawyer letter that explains why a clergy letter is not necessary and Clint [Redacted]t is willing to help with this type of letter
o Court said that since IU was not in fact mandating vaccinations because students had other choices and upheld the University mandate
o Appealed to Circuit Court and upheld
o Appealed to SC and Justice Barrett rejected appeal, letting the lower court ruling stand
o Issue was whether an employer could modify their conditions of employment after hiring someone. Constitutional claims dismissed because the employer was not acting as the government.
o Court went on to talk about Civil Rights Act protections
§ Suspicions about efficacy and risks cannot override the law.
§ Acknowledged that science can be wrong, but when it is preventing disease there is a lot of leeway.
§ Every employment includes limits on the employees behavior in exchange for renumeration.
§ If an employee believes his/her civil liberties are … they should exercise their right to seek other employment.
o Do not have to be residents of KY unless there is some special state statute that intervenes.
o Clint thinks it is reasonable to overturn this since Corporate has clearly established in that last 18 months that people can be WAH.
o This is a state by state issue and not Clint’s expertise
o KY certainly allows for disqualifications for insubordination, misconduct
o Employee needs to make it clear they want to keep their job and continue working and that is why they submitted an RE
o If you resign voluntarily, then you are not eligible for unemployment
o He believes this will be challenged
o Most of the legal cases here were before any vaccine had FDA approval and the courts still upheld mandates.
o The EUA statute applies to medical provider. And the IU cases, the judge said it is really not a mandate.
o He doesn’t know that this has been answered. There is suggestion that there should be responsibility. Some have suggested asking the employer if I am willing to do this, are you willing to compensate me for adverse reaction.
o He believes the EEOC would support this person because they learned something new.
o The one case he knows of settled pretty quick in favor of the plaintiff who was arguing that he did not need a vaccine because he had antibodies.
o When the situation seems to require something the law doesn’t require.
o Helps to have numbers either named or unnamed.
Contact me, Laz, by Freepmail to get your very own bumper sticker!
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Take the stand that you do not need to justify your decisions to them, that they are not even worth offering an explanation, and that you will resist no matter what they do.
Only if you don't care if you get terminated.
Otherwise, follow this guidance.
Laz, thanks for the information!
Better dead than Red needs an update for our times.
Do I need an ohmmeter to be this kind of resistor ?
Our current and future stance is: “Uh, to put in simple terms, we don’t want it!” Sorta like flu, pneumonia, shingles, hpv vaxxes...............
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Those were proven vaxxes; this stuff they’re pushing is experimental and we’re the guinea pigs.
I don’t really take any flu vaccines as I prefer to trust in what the Lord has provided and keep it strong without the use of a crutch. Haven’t had the flu.
As for STDs, control yourself and don’t be controlled by you genitals first … it’s big step in the right direction.
Dear HR:
You propose to fire me because I might be a danger to other federal employees.
These other federal employees walk out the front door and quite often catch a packed Metrobus or a standup-room-only subway car(in a subway station having massive numbers of people who pass in opposite directions). These public transport vehicles are filled with strangers, a large percentage of which are unvaccinated, and often come from all parts of the USA (including from areas where Covid is raging) to visit their national capital and its museums.
My fellow employees have to eat. They often do so by sitting down a quite crowded restaurant where every other table has been very recently or is currently used by strangers, many of whom are unvaccinated and who must unmask for extended periods of time to eat their food. While waiting for their food to be prepared, these often unvaccinated strangers often talk vigorously.
At other times, my fellow employees or their intimate partners buy food from the area’s generally well-patronized grocery stores, each of which often has dozens of unvaccinated fellow shoppers in it. Over a course of a single day, it is quite possible for a single Giant or Harris Teeter grocery store to have had hundreds of unvaccinated persons in it, most of whom walked down the majority of aisles in the store.
The chance that one of my fellow employees catching Covid from me is magnitudes smaller than from strangers in a crowded public transport vehicle, restaurant, store or from one of many unvaccinated strangers walking past.
The stuff they’re pushing aren’t even vaccines at all and they’ve had to change the definition of what is a vaccine to call them vaccines.
Bkmrk
Very informative, thank you!
Normal flu vaxxes take years to develop and test; this junk came out in ten months and we’re the guinea pigs.
Join the Resistance!
Ohm, Ohmmmmmmmm…
“Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for ‘proof of concept’ (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) or to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.”
“The non-replicating viral vector vaccine produced by Johnson & Johnson did require the use of fetal cell cultures, specifically PER.C6, in order to produce and manufacture the vaccine.”
“Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work.”
https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing%20Concerns
If business owners can’t hire they will fold on vaccine requirements.
This is up to the people.
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