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ICYMI: Covid-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass Entirety of 2020
donaldjtrump.com ^ | 10/07/21 | Donald J. Trump

Posted on 10/08/2021 11:18:58 AM PDT by conservative98

“As of Wednesday, U.S. localities have reported 353,000 deaths since January 1, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

That surpasses the 352,000 deaths reported in 2020 in the 10 months following the first recorded domestic outbreaks of the disease in March…” — Forbes, Oct. 6, 2021


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: biden; bidensplan; coronavirus; covid19; death; deaths; joebiden; trump
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To: conservative98

Yes Bidumb, you are doing such an amazing job! {INSERT-SARCASM}


21 posted on 10/08/2021 12:04:16 PM PDT by Mama4Life ("Privacy, a thing a of the past.")
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To: Persevero
Most people want to provide a simple explanation for what has happened, but the data resists simple explanations. We were originally told that the Delta variant was more contagious but less lethal than the original virus. If that is true, why do we already have more deaths than last year with ten weeks still to go?

In many areas, cases and deaths have been multiple times higher than at the same time last year despite the fact that more than half of the adult population is vaccinated. How can that be?

Both high- and low-vax states have seen huge rises followed by - in some cases like Florida - huge drops. Why?

We need data that is more nuanced as to why the effects of Covid vary so widely - from asymptomatic to death - other than the usual line about "co-morbidities." I think there is more to it than that.

We also need better and more honest evaluations of the various preventatives and treatments that have been used - HCQ, Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, Vitamins C and D3 and K2, zinc, quercetin, L-Lysine, NAC, and all the others. Do they work? How well? For whom? When?

Finally, and perhaps above all, we need an honest discussion of the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. Reports on their efficacy seem to vary from day to day. Health officials tell us they are safe, but the VAERS database says they are not. Why do these sometimes horrific side-effects occur in some people, but not in others? Why are so many different side effects being reported?

The sad and dangerous thing is that this virus - and the vaccines and other proposed treatments - have been politicized from the start. It has become more a battle of opposing wills than of science versus fiction: "Take the vaccine, or else," versus, "You can't make me."
22 posted on 10/08/2021 12:05:35 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: conservative98

It all depends on how they are counting covid deaths. If they still count died with but counted as died of, the numbers are meaningless.


23 posted on 10/08/2021 12:07:38 PM PDT by roving
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To: Steve_Seattle

*** We need data that is more nuanced as to why the effects of Covid vary so widely - from asymptomatic to death - other than the usual line about “co-morbidities.” I think there is more to it than that.***

We have a friend, 51, zero comorbidities and very healthy, who was unvaxxed, became exposed, suffered in the hospital for 3 weeks before making it to the ICU, and then finally succumbing to this awful disease 2 weeks after that.

There is more to this disease than just comorbidities.

We also have a neighbor whose 50 something son, who is very overweight, got CoVid, and only had cold like symptoms for a week or so. Fever, sinus problems, cough, but didn’t lose his taste and smell, and still had energy enough to go on walks. He didn’t even have a vitamin regimen that he was following. Unvaxxed. He’s fine now.

So much variability.


24 posted on 10/08/2021 12:22:17 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: roving

“If they still count died with but counted as died of, the numbers are meaningless.”

They’re still counting deaths from gunshot wounds and auto accidents as covid deaths.

I’d bet the farm that total covid deaths from the beginning to date do not exceed 70,000.


25 posted on 10/08/2021 12:25:29 PM PDT by dsc (Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.)
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To: conservative98

That prick talks about lost jobs, livelihoods, and businesses closing, which was done by the Democrats as much as by Trump...and done deliberately in order to get Trump out of office.

Before lockdowns, ALL OF US WERE DOING BETTER under Trump.


26 posted on 10/08/2021 12:26:17 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace
I think that some people have an as yet unidentified predisposition to Covid, something in their specific body chemistry. We need to look deeper than the usual co-morbidities that have been identified. Likewise, others might have a built-in resistance to Covid, either naturally, or via the use of certain supplements. (And of course natural immunity derived from prior infection.)

The same may be true for the vaccines, which trigger horrible side effects in some people yet leave others seemingly unharmed, at least in the short term. Is there some hidden vulnerability in the body chemistry of some people that is triggered by the vaccines? Does this vulnerabilty vary from person to person?

Just about any drug TV ad has caveats about certain groups of people who should not take them, yet we are demanding universal vaccination with these new drugs that have not been adequately tested either for short- or long-term side effects. It is crazy. And now several European countries have withdrawn the Modena vaccine for people under 30. Is that just the beginning of the downfall of these vaccines?
27 posted on 10/08/2021 1:13:05 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: conservative98

When you deny the medicine that can cure a person who has the chinese virus like HCQ and ivermectin and lie about who does have the chinese virus then you get the numbers you want that the democrats are using to try to control America.

Half the states do not have mask mandates or vaccine mandates.


28 posted on 10/08/2021 2:14:47 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: conservative98

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29 posted on 10/08/2021 2:29:49 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Persevero
Some will say without the shot there would have been more.

Some will say the shot didn’t work.

Some will say the shots made it worse.

With no honest science or vetted control group how can we prove anything? What a mess.

Yes. Which is why of late I've tried to focus on what data we have.

For instance, data from the CDC, updated as of today, indicate that there were 43,415 deaths *involving COVID in the U.S. this past month, September 2021. These CDC data further indicate that in September 2020, there were 19,138 deaths involving COVID nationwide -- i.e., 24,277 more deaths in September 2021 than a year ago this same time (an 126% increase).

All but six states (i.e., Connecticut, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, and South Dakota) and the District of Columbia experienced at least some increase in deaths involving COVID in the last month as compared to September 2020).

In September 2020, no one in the U.S. had yet been vaccinated for COVID. As of last month, millions had been.

Here we have a simple, apples-to-apples comparison, on a large scale, from the same time period. Even setting aside critically important issues of vaccine safety, in what respect are the vaccines working?

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*For these purposes, the CDC defines a "death involving COVID" in these terms: "Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1."

30 posted on 10/08/2021 3:31:56 PM PDT by DSH
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To: conservative98
And that with 300 million Americans having been vaccinated.

If you believe Comrade Josef.

31 posted on 10/08/2021 6:16:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: conservative98

Yeesh. I don’t think we want him to cure cancer like he said he was going to if he got elected.


32 posted on 10/08/2021 6:18:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Vitamin D deficiency is very common in Covid deaths. Get your levels tested.

As far as ads go, every one that begins with “You may be entitled to financial compensation” is referring to something that was approved by the FDA.

Of course, since the “vaccines” AREN’T approved...


33 posted on 10/08/2021 9:24:04 PM PDT by moonhawk (Biden: Not my President. Fauci: not my doctor. Me: not their bitch. You:???)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I think that some people have an as yet unidentified predisposition to Covid, something in their specific body chemistry.


Older people are at higher risk for the wuhan coronavirus. They have more stored iron.

Men are at higher risk for the wuhan coronavirus. They have more stored iron.


34 posted on 10/08/2021 9:28:33 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: Steve_Seattle

Steve...I don’t know regarding covid...but I had three bouts with cancer, all different types of cancer throughout my life which ultimately led to a team of 20 Dr.s in various fields to determine how to treat as it was so unusual. They believed I have an immunity issue. Which in going back to my childhood all the normal childhood diseases always had to require a Dr.s prescription for a stronger dose. Nothing over the counter brought relief.

There was only one other member in the family who had cancer so they do not think this was hereditary....rather possible immune issue.

Could be ones immune system just isn’t up to ward to ward off this virus. I am taking 20,000 units of Vit. D3 and others recommended. So far I haven’t had the virus, nor colds, and do not have the shot.


35 posted on 10/08/2021 9:33:45 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: Persevero

There is a control group. It is the people who have refused to get the jab.


36 posted on 10/09/2021 9:18:46 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (When elections fail, we will either live under tyranny or rebel and throw it off.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I agree that those of us currently unvaccinated are a control group of sorts.

But for good science to be done we have to be largely equivalent to the shot group: weighted according to age, sex, health conditions, location, levels of exposure, smoke/don’t smoke, etc.

Of course that is not done nor can it ever reliably be now. Because our health authorities are either criminal or completely stupid. I could do a better job and I have no such degree or experience. It blows my mind.


37 posted on 10/09/2021 12:37:14 PM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

One an compare vaccination rates in different places and change in number of deaths.


38 posted on 10/09/2021 12:39:37 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: TTFX

One can


39 posted on 10/09/2021 12:39:56 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: Persevero

our citizens are being required to be used as experimental lab rats while our government doesn’t require the invaders it’s spreading across our country to participate in the same experiment...

the invaders are the control group...


40 posted on 10/09/2021 12:45:10 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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