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From Vox Day's Blog:

Bruce Charlton explains why there is no point in even listening to what the Establishment has to say:

This is why the Establishment are liars. They are not even trying to communicate information – let alone accurate information; They are always trying to affect our behaviour.

Their purpose is to get us to do what They want. All ‘communication’ is just a means to that end.

Real conversation treats ‘the other’ as a person with agency; however manipulation regards ‘the other’ as an object to be controlled. (So, for Them, agency is an obstacle to be overcome.)

They will of course mislead and lie to whatever extent they judge to be helpful to the goal of shaping us.

Untruthfulness ranges from subtle distortions, through selection and exaggeration, all the way up to complete fabrication; as when a person with a false identity simulates fake emotions to tell a total lie – in order (successfully) to manipulate public opinion.

They do not regard themselves as purposive and habitual ‘liars’, because They are not even trying to tell the truth.

They are using ‘communications’ in order to manipulate other in ways They deem to be desirable – and truth simply doesn’t come into it.

The distinction between truth and untruth does not exist for Them, because their language is directed at manipulation, not communication. Lies, truths, or any mixture of them, are simply means to an end – and that end is manipulation.

This is also why one can neither debate nor even discuss things with anyone representing or serving the Establishment.

While you or I might be attempting to communicate information to Them, They are trying to change us. There is a total asymmetry of intent.

Which is why it is futile to engage with linguistic emanations from government, bureaucracy and the media. It is a category error. It is treating manipulations as if they were communications; it is treating intentional dishonesty as if it was an attempt at honesty.

Vox Day comments:

Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. Both the mainstream news and government statements are not dialectic, but rather rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the truth, it may point away from the truth, but it cannot be the truth.

1,689 posted on 10/12/2021 8:52:02 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ((The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.))
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To: grey_whiskers

Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic.


Indeed.

Great points. Thx for posting/pinging. 😉


1,693 posted on 10/12/2021 9:03:35 AM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: grey_whiskers; ransomnote; Jane Long; bitt; bagster; numberonepal; Cletus.D.Yokel; Cathi; ...
Another article from Vox Day, presumably a private communication to him:

An electrician reports that an alarmingly high number of the members of his union are dying, more than 4x the annual average.

Reading what you posted about a pilot dying in flight and many other coincidences brought to mind the seemingly high number of general & corporate aviation crashes recently.

Anecdotally, my electricians local union typically sees eight members pass per year; that average has held for the last 14 years. In 2020, four members passed. So far, in 2021, 33 members have passed, one additional age 63, since a business agent of the local told me this:

“So here’s some more info about what we talked about. As of the end of September we have lost 32 members. Only 4 were in their 70s and appear to have died of natural causes or self-inflicted abuse. All 4 were allegedly not-vaxxed. 2 members in their 60s passed, both apparently were vaxxed, 1 died of cancer, the other of a heart attack, but had 2 previous heart attacks. The remaining 26 were allegedly all vaxxed at a union sponsored event. All 26 were still working & between 31 & 68 years old. 13 died within 10-12 days of a vax. For the ones I got an answer, the deaths were heart attacks or strokes. About 8, the balance, said they didn’t know. Many “died suddenly”. A term I am hearing a lot. The remaining 13 died at various times after vax but 9 of the obits say “died suddenly” or “died unexpectedly”

“The families of 4 of the men, men we both know, demanded autopsies after being refused by a hospital. These 4 hired private autopsies and I’m told massive blood clotting was found in various organs. 2 reports stated “I have never seen these type of conditions/injuries”.

The agent further told me that they are all in shock and don’t know what to do. They’re frozen.

And Vox comments:

Remember, it’s safe and effective. Highly safe and effective. Except when it kills people. Then, perhaps not so much.

1,753 posted on 10/12/2021 12:09:36 PM PDT by grey_whiskers ((The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.))
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To: grey_whiskers
From Vox Day's Blog:

Bruce Charlton explains why there is no point in even listening to what the Establishment has to say:

This is why the Establishment are liars. They are not even trying to communicate information – let alone accurate information; They are always trying to affect our behaviour.

Their purpose is to get us to do what They want. All ‘communication’ is just a means to that end.


Good stuff....thanks!

2,009 posted on 10/13/2021 7:47:38 AM PDT by haffast (Double Standards Exist. Freedom of Speech. Patriots are Dying. Woke is hard. Anons Know.)
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