Posted on 09/30/2021 11:47:03 AM PDT by Kevmo
You have to ask yourself why Rossi hasn’t ever heated L liters of water C degrees over H hours with an input energy of I. That would prove his invention in a heartbeat. But he can’t because it is a scam. Rossi belongs in jail.
https://www.justintools.com/unit-conversion/energy.php?k1=megajoules&k2=gasoline-gallon-equivalent
OK
The houses on both sides of him, burned down.
How does the energy of "34 Gasoline Gallons" equate with the energy it takes "to light a 60 watt lightbulb for 4.6 hours?"
But either way, it's closer to some concept.
Completion of the work is connected with the exhaustion of fuel energy resource. Total excess energy generation of about 4100 MJ.
4100 MJ is 3,886,050 btu
https://www.convertunits.com/from/MJ/to/btu
225 life assuming output is same for each day is 17,271 btu per day. or 719 but per hour? or .21 kWh?
It takes about .8 KW to toast my two slices of bread so I need four of these for my morning toast?
Some one check my math? not as sharp as I used to be.
Again, there are factors of energy storage and conversion in this that might be useful. But no free energy is still the standard as we used to learn in science.
I have oftened wondered what the net energy gain of “free” nuclear power was, also.
I bet there weren’t many cats around neither.
About 1.2 excess kilowatts for 1.2 grams of fuel. Currently available solar battery setups are here, and better. Though a kilogram level setup of this experiment may be useful, it’s still heat only.
I don’t think you understand what the definition of EXCESS Heat is. It means “more heat than what can be accounted for with chemical processes”. It basically means that there’s 1.2kW MORE heat than what your known battery technology can produce.
But you’re right about one thing, it’s still just heat.
Rossi did just that. He attracted an investor called Industrial Heat. After some very questionable maneuvers from both sides, Rossi won the lawsuit filed by Industrial Heat against him.
They wanted his Intellectual Property, which is quizzical because they claimed it was worthless. They did not get it. Rossi wanted his $80Mil for demo’ing the device. He did not get it.
IH alleged fraud against Rossi; they lost. No fraud charges were forwarded against Rossi to the District Attorney, which would have had lots of data to proceed from the civil trial. In that manner, it is proven that Rossi is NOT a fraud , whether criminal or civil [civil charges are easier to prove than criminal], when it comes to this technology.
Feel free to pick up the phone and call the Florida District Attorney to bring their attention to this supposed $89Million Fraud. No one has done so. In the meantime, Rossi still has No Mercato, so he’s got No Veritas. I really don’t give a flying fig about Rossi unless he starts selling his “Impossible Invention”.
So... about 34 gallons of gasoline equates to 1.2 grams of the fuel consumed in this experiment?
1 gallon of gasoline is about 6.3 pounds, or 2835 grams.
2835 grams * 34 / 1.2 grams = ~80thousand times more energy [assuming we’re calculating energy at this point] than gasoline.
I think we'll be waiting for a long time, and someone will come in and steal his wind.
This set of experiments in particular are derived from Parkhamov, who 'replicated' Rossi only on the basis of what Rossi published and that aint easy. Rossi is not a scientist submitting his findings for peer review, which in itself is a corrupted process. It's like learning magic by watching a magician, or like the Wright brothers said, "like learning flight by watching birds fly".
“Net Energy Gain” ratio of Nuclear Power has always depended upon how many factors one is willing to look at. It’s between 10 to 15X according to this study.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/25/070/25070407.pdf
Taking into account the cleanup costs for Fukushima, Chernobyl, and 3 Mile Island, I would guess the numbers would go down significantly. And there STILL is no real waste disposal system that would last 50,000 years.
If you have a link to a documented and 3rd party witnessed experiment that involved heating water in a closed system (gasoline/propane generator as input) please let me know. Obviously, for the test to be a success, the water heated would have to be greater than could be done with known chemical means. It should also be witnessed by a competent and independent 3rd party.
The reason heating water is important is because the science can be understood by a high school physics student and demonstrates the definition of a calorie, a fundamental unit of energy.
He is a snake oil salesman and he has wasted countless hours of people’s time following his easily debunked and easily verified claims. If Rossi wants to sue me for defamation, he can go right ahead. I’d be happy to take a deposition.
Not being sued for fraud is not an indicator that his product does anything. Anyone can hire a lawyer to weasel out of having to deliver a working product. He isn’t selling anything because he doesn’t have a source of “excess heat”. And of course producing heat 2% over chemical heating would bring him the trillions..
Hate to be the one to break it to you.. but he never had a working system, knew it, and continued to lie and produce phony demonstrations. Because people wanted to believe the nice old man from Italy had found a solution to a desperate world need.
It should be 4.6 hours x 4100, since the 4.6 hours was for a single MJ.
I can believe 34 gal. of gas worth of energy would light a 60W bulb for 18,860 hours...
That’s quite a bit of energy from 1g of mass!
NYC will take all you can ship to them. Maximum price paid for good mousers, I hear.
https://www.insidehook.com/article/new-york/sheila-massey-feral-cats-solve-rat-problem
Hope someone shares this with ERCOT in Texas.
Pons and Fleischmann were renowned experts in calorimetry. Their experiment has been replicated at least 153 times.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3963819/posts
No other controversial experiment even comes close to that number of peer reviewed replications. Dolly the Sheep was replicated ONCE.
P&F were looking for milliwatts of “power” where it might take a team of researchers to determine if there is anything there in excess of the noise.
Rossi made repeated claims of excess megawatts. But never demonstrated anything. He is a liar and fraud. Sad.
He is a snake oil salesman
***I don’t care about Rossi and I care even less what YOU think of him. People don’t sue snake oil salesmen and then try to get their IP.
and he has wasted countless hours of people’s time following his easily debunked
***Experts in [LITERALLY] Industrial Heat could not debunk him so you are WAY off.
and easily verified claims.
***Then easily verify them. Duhh. Gigantic duhh factor.
If Rossi wants to sue me for defamation, he can go right ahead. I’d be happy to take a deposition.
***It would depend upon how much you are worth. He threatened Wikipedia for defamation and they had to withdraw a bunch of their allegations from their website. I doubt you would fare as well.
Not being sued for fraud is not an indicator that his product does anything.
***Reading aint your strong suit. He WAS sued for fraud and it did NOT hold up. You should re-evaluate your entire position on LENR, which was here before Rossi and will be here after he leaves.
Anyone can hire a lawyer to weasel out of having to deliver a working product.
***I think you’re simply full of horse manure. $89Million worth of horse manure.
He isn’t selling anything because he doesn’t have a source of “excess heat”.
***That’s an argument from silence. Classical fallacy. He isn’t selling anything. Period. By his own measure of “in mercato veritas” he has nothing in mercato so I see no reason to extend veritas to him. However, he has survived a direct attempt at stealing his IP [more than once, it is claimed by those around him] so I’ll just sit back and let him do his thing. I’m neither a detractor nor a fan.
And of course producing heat 2% over chemical heating would bring him the trillions..
***Now you’re just saying a bunch of bullshiite. You don’t even know, in historical context, what you’re asserting. 153 peer reviewed papers’ worth of historical context.
Hate to be the one to break it to you..
***I’m obviously more up to speed on the guy than you are.
but he never had a working system, knew it, and continued to lie
***Arguments from silence. Classic fallacies.
and produce phony demonstrations.
***He fooled the Industrial Heat experts at Industrial Heat, he fooled the 7 Swedish scientists who independently verified his technology. I think you underestimate him — either he’s a genius at what you call ‘phony demonstrations’ in front of experts or he’s got sumthin, sumthin that IH WANTED.
Because people wanted to believe the nice old man from Italy had found a solution to a desperate world need.
***I don’t care what people want to believe any more than I care what you believe. But while you are at it, you should admonish the Google team that spent $10M and gave Rossi credit for revitalizing the field. I believe in avoiding classic fallacies, logical reasoning, peer review, scientific method, and rational argumentation... all of which you seem to just toss. This thread aint about Rossi, so take it somewhere else. Start your own thread and see if anyone shows up. I haven’t started a Rossi thread in about a decade, but jerks like you continue to harass me about it so shove off. I was posting LENR threads before you and before Rossi, I’ll be posting about LENR long after he leaves the scene.
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