Posted on 09/25/2021 4:55:17 AM PDT by conservative98
As Ford Authority reported back in August, FoMoCo recently gave 2021 Ford F-150 buyers the option to remove the auto start-stop feature from their pickups through the end of the year, and those that choose to do so will get a $50 credit and perhaps take delivery a little sooner, due to supply constraints. Now, sources familiar with the 2022 Ford Explorer launch are telling Ford Authority that auto stop-start will become an option on the 2022 Explorer as well.
The auto stop-start feature will be an option on Base, XLT, Timberline, and Limited trims for 2022. Shoppers eyeing Limited Hybrid, King Ranch, Platinum, Platinum Hybrid, and ST models will not get this choice, because the change applies only to models equipped with Ford’s 2.3L EcoBoost I-4. This change will be reflected in Explorer production beginning in late September.
As is the case with the 2021 F-150, those that choose to opt-out of auto stop-start will receive a $50 credit for their troubles.
(Excerpt) Read more at fordauthority.com ...
Remember, this is the same group of people that came up with the “teletouch” transmissions and the treadle vac brakes. Both of which were engineering boondoggles which cost the company millions in warranty repairs.
CC
How much additional wear on the car engine, starter,electrical system, etc. do you think is caused by the start stop feature? The most wear on the engine is during start up.
Thanks. I think the Japanese are required to shut down the engine at red lights. They also are required to replace the engine at a certain mileage, 60k iirc.
Almost 14,000 results for JDM(Japanese Development Market) engine
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l2632&_nkw=jdm+engine&_sacat=6028
All this hoopla because folks are too lazy flip a switch themselves and want their cars to think for them.
Incredible...
I’ve been told the start stop feature actually causes premature wear on the starter. No sure if true but seems plausible.
That is definitely true and even more so with today's tight tolerance overhead cam engines. No oil where it needs to get until the engine is started.
How many accidents has this caused when people were rear ended when the the light turned green?
Never had this until I rented a car in Italy. At the first stop it took me a minute to realize what was happening. Then again, I drove all over the place and when I decided to get some gas, I couldn’t believe the tank was full so quickly because it barely used any.
I was driving through my small town one day, driving from one stoplight to the next.
There was a car next to me - on the drivers side - the whole time.
Something seemed odd so I rolled down my window to listen...it was this damn feature stopping the other vehicles DIESEL engine (it was a MBz).
I thought how ridiculosis it is to start-stop a diesel engine with glow-plugs an a 22:1 compression ratio.
Utter madness.
In my limited experience the engine starts immediately when your foot comes off the brake. There’s no delay when you touch the gas.
I did wonder about wear and tear on the engine. But for gas mileage seemed to make sense after sitting at a long traffic light.
My Audi came with this "feature." Awful! I easily hacked the ECU to get rid of it permanently. Perhaps the same can be done with a Ford?
It wasn’t an “optional feature” for me. I never dreamed they would make the BS so intrusive.
I hate it. I cannot imagine in what world or universe that is going to save enough gas to justify anything.
Of course, Leftists would say “But, if it were on every car, and each car would save one tenth of a gallon of gas in a year...that would mean we would save millions of gallons a year!”
Makes me want to outright slug them.
I wonder about the wear on the starter on my Santa Fe. The vehicle has to be fully warmed up before the start/stop feature kicks in. Once the engine oil has started to circulate, I don’t worry much about actual wear on the engine. I do get better gas mileage with the stop/start. Guess I’ve gotten used to it, and I have more important things to worry about anyway.
I don’t like the globull warming feature. I feel that it will wear out the starter and battery prematurely. All to save about 0.5 MPG.
I have a Jeep Compass and for some reason mine doesn't turn on anymore.
My thought is that it has a learning curve and since I would always turn it off when starting, it just doesn't turn on anymore......
“In our 2019 F150, there’s a plug block with three plugs under the dash. The plug on the right side of the block handles the towing connection at the rear bumper. Unplugging the plug on the right disables the towing connection...but also disables the auto stop/start. Just leave it unplugged until you need to tow.”
That is what I did. I don’t care how much they engineer it, it is not good for you engine to stop and re-start every time your vehicle stops.
This was done to help the vehicles meet the CAFE standards.
I have a Subaru Forester, love the vehicle, just love it.
Except for all the electronic assist BS. Hate all of it...all of it, with a white hot passion.
Especially-and most especially-the collision avoidance idiocy.
You come up behind a car taking a right or left turn, and you try to steer around it and the car automatically jams on the brakes with that nasty grinding sound.
There is a car way, way in front of you, and the collision alarm sounds. I wish I could turn off the collision alarm permanently, but I can’t. It makes my wife tense up and grab onto something every time. And it isn’t because I am going to fast or closing too fast. It does it in normal, slow speed suburban driving.
I despise it all. All of it. Except one thing.
I love the Adaptive Cruise Control. By itself, it ALMOST makes the rest of the stupidity bearable. I love cruise control on long trips, but...in moderate to heavy traffic, in the past it was just not usable.
Now, you just set your speed about 10 mph above the fastest you think you will go, and that’s it. What a great invention! I like that implementation alone.
All the rest makes me grit my teeth.
Funny. When I got my first car with a backup camera, I didn’t want to use it lest I become dependent on it, so even though I use it, I still crane my neck around (because I still can...for now) One aspect of it I love-when you are trying to back out of a parking space and have zero visibility to either side, I find the camera has a wide enough field of view to make it far safer to back out. You don’t have that squirt-inducing experience of an unseen car roaring through the parking lot suddenly appearing when you decide you must take a chance and back out.
Another thing I had difficulty with initially was OTHER cars with backup cameras. We all know the scenario. You are sitting in a parallel park space, with an empty one in front of you. A car lines up to pull in and begins to back in. In the past, you would be watching, and when they would get close, you were certain they were going to bump your car and you had to give them a short blast on the horn. When backup cameras became a thing, people STILL cannot parallel park, but...it took me a while to adjust that with the camera, they were going to get REALLY close but still aren’t generally going to hit you.
They still can’t parallel park, but...they generally won’t have to bump your car and the one in front to get into the space.
All the rest of that techno crap they can throw in the lake. I know you can probably buy one of those things that you can program with and permanently shut most of it off, but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to find that if you rear-ended someone, you could be found liable because you disabled it.
I am with you. This is one of those Leftist ideas that they think is the cat’s meow, and I just want to choke them for forcing it on us.
I don’t have a car with that ‘feature’, but I’ve rented them. My comments are as follows:
1) If you coast up to a stop in neutral, the engine doesn’t quit, as the software is probably confused (at least in my rentals). I normally do that out of habit, just because I used to drive sticks and I don’t like my car tugging at me when stopped and in gear.
2) If the disable switch is a simple 2-wire momentary pushbutton, I’d try rigging up a relay that would ‘press’ the switch every time the key was turned. I always get the electrical manuals to my cars, so this wouldn’t be difficult (other than needing to be a contortionist).
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