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Ayn Rand vs. the Mandate
American Thinker ^
| 18 Sep, 2021
| Susan Hanson
Posted on 09/18/2021 4:12:38 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber
Foundations always seem to attract leftists.
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posted on
09/18/2021 4:12:50 AM PDT
by
MtnClimber
(For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
To: MtnClimber
Why is he talking about what the government should do in a government-controlled health care system? Why isn’t he talking about why those controls should be eliminated instead?Yes, like pointing out what a shame it was that Himmler's ovens weren't equipped to recover and recycle the waste heat.
There is little sense in attempting to suggest improvements in a fundamentally flawed system.
Regards,
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posted on
09/18/2021 4:23:12 AM PDT
by
alexander_busek
(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
To: MtnClimber
Why do so many posts here repeat the first paragraph twice and sometimes three times?
It happens so often, I don’t see it as being accidental.
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posted on
09/18/2021 4:29:59 AM PDT
by
jacknhoo
( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. )
There’s an Ayn Rand institute? Look at the liberal Republicans the Reagan Library has been hosting, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie.
To: TakebackGOP
“Look at the liberal Republicans the Reagan Library has been hosting, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie.”
We lived next to the Reagan Library from 2002-2010. They hosted some good people. Then things changed after RR died. The day Teddy Kennedy had an event there (thanks, Nancy!) I was on the corner protesting, along with several others. TEDDY KENNEDY at the REAGAN Library. Shameful.
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posted on
09/18/2021 4:44:10 AM PDT
by
MayflowerMadam
(“If TPTB can force you to take a shot, what CAN'T they force you to take?” - T. Carlson (paraphrased)
To: MayflowerMadam
Why was Ted Kennedy there?
To: MtnClimber; bagster; little jeremiah; Melian; RitaOK
IN! before the usual FReeyore anti-objectivists.
#AynRandWasRight
#SkolnickKnew
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posted on
09/18/2021 5:03:18 AM PDT
by
Cletus.D.Yokel
(Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
To: TakebackGOP
“Why was Ted Kennedy there?”
Holding an event — a speech. According to the properties connected to the photo it was taken 4/28/2007.
I just found pics of the sign I made, on one of those large accordian fold-out cutting boards:
“Teddy K
Murderer
Traitor”
And I had a www.FreeRepublic.com banner across the bottom.
According to the properties of the photo, it was taken 4/28/2007.
As Nancy’s car drove by the corner, she was not amused. LOL!
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posted on
09/18/2021 5:08:59 AM PDT
by
MayflowerMadam
(“If TPTB can force you to take a shot, what CAN'T they force you to take?” - T. Carlson (paraphrased)
To: TakebackGOP
“Why was Ted Kennedy there?”
Booze, catered buffet, and lots of glad-handing, back slappin’, and butt squeezin’.
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posted on
09/18/2021 5:25:21 AM PDT
by
Clutch Martin
(The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
To: MtnClimber
Don’t know about the others but Binswanger surely knows better. He was inner circle. If Rand were here she would nuke him for this betrayal of Objectivist principles.
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posted on
09/18/2021 5:42:10 AM PDT
by
Buttons12
( )
To: MtnClimber
Screw those guys. Follow the Atlas Society. True inheriters to Rands legacy
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posted on
09/18/2021 8:16:52 AM PDT
by
Raymann
To: Raymann
Ayn Rand has so many great ideas and quotes--one very relevant to today:
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
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posted on
09/18/2021 8:19:53 AM PDT
by
cgbg
(A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...
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posted on
09/18/2021 8:22:31 AM PDT
by
Publius
To: alexander_busek
There is little sense in attempting to suggest improvements in a fundamentally flawed system. THAT!
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posted on
09/18/2021 8:28:29 AM PDT
by
MtnClimber
(For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
To: Publius; MtnClimber
"...In sum, government should not have the power to lock us down in our homes even during a widespread, uncontained outbreak of an infectious disease… But there are valid steps our government should take to increase the capacity of our government-controlled healthcare system…" To unpack this quote, there are two parts to consider:
- The first part, about locking us down in our homes, is a problem of personal liberty. I have always been of the opinion that, if this virus warranted it by killing 30-50% of the people in infected, you would not have to mandate masking, quarantining, and vaccination.
Not only would people be doing these things of their own free will after performing their own risk versus benefit analysis. Seeing corpses laid in front of houses for removal would compel most normal people to mask, quarantine, and submit to vaccination.
And they wouldn't be doing it against their will.
They would be wearing hazmat suits if they left their houses, barricading themselves in their houses with firearms if they were home, and clamoring vocally for vaccines because they would understand that without those things, up to half of the people who are infected will die. - For the second part, about the tacit support by the author regarding government intervention into healthcare during a crisis-this is a completely different aspect and does bear directly on the role of government. Does anyone doubt that the government should step into a severe crisis to increase capacity and relax regulation and red tape in a real pandemic where 50% of infected people are dying?
Of course not. We would expect it.
If corpses were being piled in the street, OF COURSE we would expect the government, industry, and the citizenry to step in at all levels!
BUT THERE ARE TWO KEY POINTS HERE:
- KEY POINT 1: THIS VIRUS DOES NOT RISE TO THAT LEVEL THAT JUSTIFIES THAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.
- KEY POINT 2: WHO OR WHAT DECIDES WHAT THAT THRESHOLD SHOULD BE?
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posted on
09/18/2021 9:45:46 AM PDT
by
rlmorel
(Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
To: MtnClimber
While it is true that government takes on responsibility concomitant with the restrictions on liberty it is permitted by law to enact, that does not reduce to a government with unlimited ability to restrict liberty in return for complete care of the citizen. That isn't the deal. Here's the deal:
...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...
That's the deal. Governments are established to secure liberty for their citizens, not to suppress it in view of some Greater Good. That was always the Great Lie behind collectivist government and is the driving philosophical tenet of authoritarian socialism (in practice, there is no other kind).
In my view the case is simple: the government is allowed great but not unlimited power to curtail certain liberties in times of national emergency, and it has already grossly overstepped even those generous limits. I do not think Rand would disagree with a word of that. It devolves to yet another primal struggle between authority and liberty - perhaps we're overdue, and it does look like Jefferson was correct about that tree.
To: jacknhoo
Why do so many posts here repeat the first paragraph twice and sometimes three times? It happens so often, I don’t see it as being accidental.
Here is the reason. A blog type website generally cut-n-pastes information from other sites. The linked to site has text in another format and that gets repeated as the same text in their own blog article. There is often a photo or graphic that repeats the text as a caption.
If the complete content gets posted here with one cut-n-paste from the blog site that text is copied three times for us to stumble through. The Freeper should proofread and delete the duplicate text but that is usually an after thought. It's not intentional but just part of the internet architecture.
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posted on
09/18/2021 10:06:01 AM PDT
by
higgmeister
( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken )
To: higgmeister
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posted on
09/18/2021 10:14:13 AM PDT
by
jacknhoo
( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. )
To: MtnClimber
# Foundations always seem to attract leftists.
Yes. All foundations eventually morph into leftists tools. I can’t think of a single contra-example.
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posted on
09/18/2021 12:07:00 PM PDT
by
zeugma
(Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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